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psilocybin Vs. psilocin Vs. Baeocystin
    #641077 - 05/22/02 10:41 PM (22 years, 3 days ago)

browsing in search of wisdom on the pages of erowid, i found the page comparing strength between various mushrooms, and in table there were listed 3 separate psychoactive chemicals:
psilocybin (duh)
psilocin
baeocystin

...i know what the first one is, and have been told that the second is essentially the psychoactive ingredient (psilocybin has to metabolise into psilocin before becoming psychoactive)... anyone here care to enlighten me on the third please?

btw - the link to that page is:
http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_info4.shtml



Thanks in advance


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Re: psilocybin Vs. psilocin Vs. Baeocystin [Re: roachsucker]
    #641502 - 05/23/02 08:26 AM (22 years, 3 days ago)

See this thread.
Different Strains? different high?

If baeocystin is equally potent as psilocybin it still is only present at 4% or less of psilocybin's level in P. cubensis. Not enough to be significant, imo.

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Re: psilocybin Vs. psilocin Vs. Baeocystin [Re: dirk gently]
    #642567 - 05/23/02 11:02 PM (22 years, 2 days ago)

thanks dude, although through a first read from that thread the answer seems to be that there will be no answer (...that is the answer )....

...i guess thats part of the reason these are called 'magic' mushrooms then - no question asked...


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Re: psilocybin Vs. psilocin Vs. Baeocystin [Re: roachsucker]
    #642692 - 05/24/02 03:42 AM (22 years, 2 days ago)

Baeocystine is just as psychoactive as psilocine and psilocybine.

Back in the 1970s Jeremy Bigwood was fortunate to bioassay some baeocystine crystals. He reported that the high was no different than the fresh mushrooms.

It is just a step in the biosynthesis of psilocybine and psilocine.

Some mushrooms will have psilocine, psilocybine, baeocystine and/or norbaeocystine in them at the same time or one or the other. Usually there will be psilocybine and psilocine in the same mushrooms with nothing else and then all four trtptomines may be in the shrooms.

Interestingly, Tjakko Stijve reported differences in Copelandia species from Hawaii and from Austrlia. He found the Hawaiian Copelandia cyanescens species were high in psilocybine and low in psilocine while thier Australian cousins of Copelandia cyanescens where high in psilocine and low in psilocybine.


Here is a table showing some chemical analysis of my Hawaiian Thai collections.

http://mjshroomer.yage.net/idspeciestable1a.jpg

mj

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Re: psilocybin Vs. psilocin Vs. Baeocystin [Re: mjshroomer]
    #643902 - 05/24/02 06:38 PM (22 years, 1 day ago)

wow! So the hawaiian blue meanies will last better in drying - that would be right!!


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Re: psilocybin Vs. psilocin Vs. Baeocystin [Re: mjshroomer]
    #644350 - 05/25/02 05:14 AM (22 years, 1 day ago)

Thx for your reply MJ... thats pretty much what i was looking for...

only one more thing:

any info on the difference between the way the various chemicals affect you? i.e. more visuals with one than the other, more headfuck with the other, etc.?

[edit] D'OH! i just re-read your post properly, and realised you've already answered that... thx for the reply dude, good post! [/edit]


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