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OfflineDailyPot
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So whats the deal w/ baeocystin?
    #1621642 - 06/09/03 07:58 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

I kinda gave it all away in the title..... ^ ^


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Re: So whats the deal w/ baeocystin? [Re: DailyPot]
    #1622116 - 06/09/03 10:32 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

I was curious about this too. And why don't I see more people cultivating Psilocybe baeocystis.

mg/g psilocybin 1.50-8.50
mg/g psilocin 0.50-5.90
mg/g baeocystin 0.10-1.00

Nice stats. Is it a bitch to cultivate?


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Re: So whats the deal w/ baeocystin? [Re: HagbardCeline]
    #1622145 - 06/09/03 10:41 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Seimlanceata has an even higher level of baeocystin. It is persumed active and it and nor baeocystin and aeruginicine are found in generally lesser levels than psilocybin and psilocin.


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Re: So whats the deal w/ baeocystin? [Re: DailyPot]
    #1623413 - 06/10/03 12:04 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

mjshroomery said he tried pure baeocystin once, and that it's very close in effects to psilocin and psilocybin.


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Re: So whats the deal w/ baeocystin? [Re: Meph]
    #1623860 - 06/10/03 04:20 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Then more people should have an interest in it right?


Edited by DailyPot (06/10/03 04:22 PM)


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Re: So whats the deal w/ baeocystin? [Re: DailyPot]
    #1625507 - 06/11/03 03:07 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Why bother, if it's indistinguishable from psilocybin?


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Re: So whats the deal w/ baeocystin? [Re: zeta]
    #1625868 - 06/11/03 09:09 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Baeocystine is in many psilocybian mushrooms. It is a chemical found in the process of the biosynthesis of psilocybine and other tryptamine compunds.

Baeocystine, norbaeocystine, Psilocybine and Pspsilocine in that order.
Each individual shroom in any collection contains contains a small amount of either one or all four of said chemicals in them.T here is no real wayt to determine that each individual shroom contains difrfernet amounts than the others.

The high is no different than psilocybine and/or psilocine.

Evern Ott and Bigwood also tried baeocystine and found the effects to be the same as eating fresh or dried shrooms.

Aeruginicine is only found in Inocybe aeruginescens which occurs in baltic countries and parts of Europe, not in America or Australia

ANd Zeta is 100% correct.

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Re: So whats the deal w/ baeocystin? [Re: DailyPot]
    #1632716 - 06/14/03 06:04 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

While we have a thread going, what about weilii?


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Re: So whats the deal w/ baeocystin? [Re: HarveyWalbanger]
    #1632745 - 06/14/03 07:58 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Firstly correction A - Aerugincine has only been FOUND in that mushroom - as it is not generally an alkaloid that is tested for, its presence in other mushrooms is a possibility, and until further investigations were conducted it would be unfounded to state that it doesnt appear elsewhere.
Correction B - you most certainly can distinquish the alkaloid ratio in a mushroom of these four alkaloids.
Baeocystin by nature is quite similar to Psilocybin/psilocin, but its activity has never been demonstrated. Stamets made strange claims about it making mushrooms 'more visual, or causing stomach upsets.' DMT is also quite similar structurally to psilocybin/psilocin, and the differences in its bioassay are immeasurable.
Id be very interested to hear how the person that supplied baeocystin to you was able to extract it alone from the other alkaloids at great quantity. After all, Jonathan Ott did tell people that he got high off smoking wormwood - and he would have to be about the only one who has.


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Re: So whats the deal w/ baeocystin? [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #1632782 - 06/14/03 09:24 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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Baeocystin by nature is quite similar to Psilocybin/psilocin, but its activity has never been demonstrated. Stamets made strange claims about it making mushrooms 'more visual, or causing stomach upsets.'.





I alway thought that it was the ration between to Psilocybin and Psilocin in the mushroom that determined the amount of visuials. As Psilocybin gives a more visuial experience where psilocin produces more of a body trip.


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Re: So whats the deal w/ baeocystin? [Re: EvilGir]
    #1632910 - 06/14/03 12:03 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Bigwood, I, Ott and a few others have all sampled baeocystine under its chemical name. I have no idea where it came from, probably Sandoz.



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Re: So whats the deal w/ baeocystin? [Re: EvilGir]
    #1634256 - 06/15/03 02:28 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

'I alway thought that it was the ration between to Psilocybin and Psilocin in the mushroom that determined the amount of visuials. As Psilocybin gives a more visuial experience where psilocin produces more of a body trip. '

Well you thought incorrectly. Psilocin is oxidised into psilocybin once it enters our bodies, so therefore the ratio of these two alkaloids would be irrelevant other than in terms of the strength of the classic psilocybin intoxication.
Also, Ps.Semilanceata has a much hgher content of baeocystin the Ps.Baeocystis.


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Re: So whats the deal w/ baeocystin? [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #1634496 - 06/15/03 04:23 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

I thought it was the other way around - psilocybin is converted to psilocin in our bodies.


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Re: So whats the deal w/ baeocystin? [Re: Xlea321]
    #1634530 - 06/15/03 04:56 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

it is BM must have got em mixed up


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Re: So whats the deal w/ baeocystin? [Re: ]
    #1634759 - 06/15/03 11:08 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Psilocybin matabolites (w/e :tongue:) into psilocin.


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Re: So whats the deal w/ baeocystin? [Re: DailyPot]
    #1640870 - 06/17/03 11:47 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

oops - and there i was pretending i knew what i was talking about :smile:


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Re: So whats the deal w/ baeocystin? [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #1645102 - 06/19/03 04:23 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Analog laws aside, it looks like 4-HO-MET, 4-AcO-MET and 4-PO-MET might make nice RC's, being unscheduled and all.


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Re: So whats the deal w/ baeocystin? [Re: mjshroomer]
    #1671004 - 06/29/03 08:25 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Two question, MJ:

1) Does baeocystine degrade in drying like psilocine does, or is it stable like psilocybine?

2) You had mentioned before, as did many people, that semilanceata trips are more peaceful, clean, and forgiving than, say, cubensis or P. cyanescens. Could it be that this is due to the libcap's high concentration of baeocystine? If not, then I wonder if some other chemical causes this difference. Is it only true when the libcaps are eaten raw, or does the libcap also give a smoother trip when dried, compared to cubensis, P cyanescens, etc?

Thanks!


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Re: So whats the deal w/ baeocystin? [Re: evlovevlove]
    #1671192 - 06/29/03 11:53 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

What makes you say that?
4-HO-MET seems to be much the same as psilocybin
4-AcO-MET is a complete unknown
and 4-PO-MET? what's that supposed to be?


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Re: So whats the deal w/ baeocystin? [Re: zeta]
    #1671337 - 06/29/03 01:35 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

NOt sure about the baeocystine. P. mexicana is alsoa calm and tranquiliy sought after shroom by the mazatec shamans.

Thye P. samuineis is also similar as is P. strictipes and P. subfimetaria. AS to their baeocystine contents being the result of the calmness, I still think iti si jut the combination of those alkaloids.

On the other hand It just might be mushrooms with a high psilocybine content which are tranquil and those with a high psilocine content are electrical.

Never thought about that one before.


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