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On the subject of rubbermaid
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I having just read the bulk neglect growlog completed by mycofile, I find myself having questions as to the usage of the rubbermaids.

In the post, cardboard boxs that measured 8" deep by 2ft squared were used as fruiting chambers. They were lined with a trash bag which was filled with substrated nearly to the top and were draped with a plastic sheet.

Now, later in the post a vague referance was made to rubbermaids not being an ideal chamber unless holes are made or something.

I must question:

What is the differance between an 1X2X8 cardboard box lined with a trashbag and a 1X2X8 plastic box lined with a trashbag? It would seem to me as though the end result would be the same.


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invoke the shadows and dust, cast a hex
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relocate from Ur to 8th density and become a cosmic bully
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Re: On the subject of rubbermaid [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
    #899517 -

if this is to challenging for this forum, please move it to advance cult, mods.


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Sunset_Mission said:
"larry the scary rex
verily scary when thoroughly vexed
invoke the shadows and dust, cast a hex
mercifully massacring memories masterfully
relocate from Ur to 8th density and become a cosmic bully
mulder and scully couldn't decipher his glyphs
invoke the shadows and dust, smoke infernal spliffs"
April 24th 2011

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Re: On the subject of rubbermaid [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
    #899606 -

you wouldn't line a rubbermade with a trash bag, it's already water proof.  And most rubbermade tubs come with a tight fitting lid, making it easier to control the environment inside and to keep nasties out.

And when you're done gowing inthem, you can wash them out and store your dirty magazines in 'em :wink:

-Loop
The Funky Farmer


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Some take tha plane, you, you on tha boat,
right beside tha money which right beside tha coke
Passin by tha coastgaurd, right under their nose.

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Edited by Loop_Theorist (09/22/02 03:24 PM)

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Re: On the subject of rubbermaid [Re: Loop_Theorist]
    #899612 -

that is not what was meant.

I am trying to explore the claim that rubbermaids don't work. If they are used in the same way as the box, ie a rigid container, then why is there is claim of non functionality?!


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RIP Acidic_Sloth

Sunset_Mission said:
"larry the scary rex
verily scary when thoroughly vexed
invoke the shadows and dust, cast a hex
mercifully massacring memories masterfully
relocate from Ur to 8th density and become a cosmic bully
mulder and scully couldn't decipher his glyphs
invoke the shadows and dust, smoke infernal spliffs"
April 24th 2011

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Re: On the subject of rubbermaid [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
    #899622 -

I dunno man, they seem to hold MY dirty magazines pretty well :tongue:


Seriously, they work ok for me, but a cardboard box and trashbag are cheaper to be sure.


-Loop
The Funky Farmer


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Pack-tight, midnight, ship it to tha coast.
Some take tha plane, you, you on tha boat,
right beside tha money which right beside tha coke
Passin by tha coastgaurd, right under their nose.

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Re: On the subject of rubbermaid [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
    #899623 -

IMHO,

The cardboard box allows for more air exchange, than does a closed rubbermaid, when only loosly covered with a perforated plastic sheet.

On the other hand, a rubbermaid type container is easy to convert, so there is adiquate air exchange, by just drilling or cutting a few small holes in it, a few inchs above the substrate level on both sides or ends.

My experiance with rubbermaids is that with multispore spawn, they tend to pin around the edges more than the center of the container.

I believe that, since you get a considerable amount of condensation on the inside -- around the interior bottom edges of rubbermaid type containers, that provides a more optimal microclimate than in the center & they tend to pin there.

But, hey. Whatever works is fine.

6T :tongue:

 


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Re: On the subject of rubbermaid [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
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The way I see it, the cardboard box with the trash bag would be that same as just a rubbermaid container. If the cardboard box had no trash bag.....then it would be different - air exchange would be greater because of the porous cardboard. I use the same two rubbermaid containers over and over again. I have holes cut in them with filter patches glued over them for better air exchange. I don't know why someone would say rubbermaid containers wouldn't work. I'm sure they have some reason for saying it though.

BlueBus


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Re: On the subject of rubbermaid [Re: SixTango]
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and what if one were to place a perforated plastic sheet over the rubbermaid instead of the lid?


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Sunset_Mission said:
"larry the scary rex
verily scary when thoroughly vexed
invoke the shadows and dust, cast a hex
mercifully massacring memories masterfully
relocate from Ur to 8th density and become a cosmic bully
mulder and scully couldn't decipher his glyphs
invoke the shadows and dust, smoke infernal spliffs"
April 24th 2011

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Re: On the subject of rubbermaid [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
    #900403 -

I use clear plastic as a lid, like the kind you put over old windows in the winter time to keep drafts to a minimum. I simply tape it down. It's easy to open to fan out.

BlueBus


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Re: On the subject of rubbermaid [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
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I think what mycofile was trying to say was that his box and bag setup was superior to the typical high walled Rubbermaid's that are used allot in bulk grows.

The substrate in his boxes was filled to about an inch from the top edge allowing co2 to spill over the sides, making fanning unnecessary.

I don't see why one couldn't get away with using a shallow opaque tub filled to the edge with substrate and the plastic sheet as he used with his boxes.


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Re: On the subject of rubbermaid [Re: HisStudent]
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I use rubbermaid containers.
And I`ve had no problems at all.
I don`t however use the big ones because the co2 build-up gets out of control.
I use smaller rubbermaids that can be filled with a 5-6" layer of substrate and a 2" layer of casing bringing it about 1/2 way in the container.
I`ve had no problems with pins forming on the sides, I`ve more had that problem wth smaller containers.
I use the lid with a hole cut in, sometimes I use a perforated sheet.

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Re: On the subject of rubbermaid [Re: DERRAYLD]
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Yup, what I was getting at was the height of the wall thing. CO2 just spills over the edge. It's not that rubbermaids are by any means bad, just that most people use the large, high walled ones. If you want to go that route, I'd put some holes (filtered with polyfill/coffee filters/ AC vent filters etc) just above the casing surface to allow the co2 to automatically vent. Or just use a rubbermaid the depth of your substrate + casing.

I agree with what 6T says about the condensation/pinning issue. A perforated plastic sheet as a lid would solve this problem as long as the humidity inside is high enough for pinning. BTW, the little blurb about "micro cultivation" in TMC or GG&MM recomended aquariums with perforated plastic lids as terreriums. He didn't recomend an airtight lid like a rubbermaid has.


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Re: On the subject of rubbermaid [Re: DERRAYLD]
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  my lice really like the rubbermaid idea.  what they had in mind was a 14gal rubbermaid that measures 24X16X12.25 (inches) with a 8" horse dung/compost layer and a 1-2" casing layer with 8 holes (1" dia) cut into the ends and sides at 1" above the substrate/casing layer.  Using either polyfill or filter disks for air exchange,  but keeping the holes (or most of them) covered  with tape during spawn run for CO2 build up and then taking the lid off and replacing it w/ clear 4 mil plastic during pin initiation and fruiting.  So the lice say... rubbermaid works great!  :smile: 


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Re: On the subject of rubbermaid [Re: Alkaloids]
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How tall of a container would be too tall if someone were to have 20 PF cakes? With perlite used, and fanning. Would 2 or 3 feet be way to much? Just curious.

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