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Good News: The North American Union(S.P.P. "deeper intergration" Etc) IS FUCKING DEAD- So Celebrate!
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For now it's dead. So if you helped kill  it, pat yourself on the back.
We did a great thing. Whether you consider yourself left right, or dead center, WE, together, actually killed a bad piece of legislation. Props to Lou Dobbs as well. Geeus, when I was young I never pictured myself ever saying props to Lou Dobbs :tongue:

I found out about this weeks ago, but I thought with the overwhelmly negative story I posted, and the worries people are having I should post something nice as well.

So celebrate for now I say, we worked together and got something done.
I worked online and locally, and I'm pretty happy, it was well worth the effort IMO.

All the "fear mongering" I did paid off!!! :lol:

Back to the drawing board you greedy sinister scumbags.

North American Union: The dream 'is dead'

Father of alignment of U.S., Mexico, Canada says secret plan has been killed by left, right
Posted: July 28, 2008
9:46 pm Eastern

By Jerome R. Corsi
© 2008 WorldNetDaily


The Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America is dead, says Robert A. Pastor, the American University professor who for more than a decade has been a major proponent of building a North American Community.

"The new president will probably discard the SPP," Pastor wrote in an article titled "The Future of North America," published in the current July/August issue of the Council on Foreign Relations magazine Foreign Affairs.

The SPP, which critics contend is a step toward a North American Union, is an agreement to increase cooperation on security and economic issues signed by the leaders of the U.S., Mexico and Canada in 2005. Despite having no authorization from Congress, the Bush administration launched extensive working-group activity to implement the agreement. The working groups – ranging from e-commerce, to aviation policy, to borders and immigration – have counterparts in Mexico and Canada.
"The April summit meeting was probably the last hurrah for the SPP," Pastor wrote, referring to the fourth annual SPP meeting held in April in New Orleans.

Pastor attributes the failure of SPP to its largely bureaucratic nature and the decision policy makers made to keep SPP largely below the radar of public opinion.

"The strategy of acting on technical issues in an incremental, bureaucratic way and keeping the issues away from public view has generated more suspicion than accomplishments," Pastor admitted.

Pastor blames critics for the failure of the SPP, charging it has come under attack from both ends of the political spectrum.

"From the right have come attacks based on cultural anxieties of being overrun by Mexican immigrants and fears that cooperation with Canada and Mexico could lead down a slippery slope toward a North American Union," he wrote. "From the left came attacks based on economic fears of jobs lost due to unfair trading practices."
(:bitch:^^^Right, because none of those worries on either the left or right would have ever come to fruition? )

"These two sets of fears came together in a perfect storm that was pushed forward by a surplus of hot air from talk-show hosts on radio and television," he continued. "In the face of this criticism, the Bush administration was silent, and the Democratic candidates competed for votes in the rust-belt states, where unions and many working people have come to see NAFTA and globalization much as (commentator Lou) Dobbs does."

Pastor denied he had ever urged the creation of a North American Union.

"Dobbs, among others, viewed a report by a 2005 Council on Foreign Relations task force (which I chaired), 'Building a North American Community,' as the manifesto of a conspiracy to subvert American sovereignty," he asserted. "Dobbs claimed that the CFR study proposed a North American Union, although it did not."

Pastor has argued consistently for a "North American Community," as suggested by the title of his 2001 book entitled "Toward a North American Community."

In a commentary authored for WND, Pastor stressed, "I do not propose a North American Union; I propose a North American Community."

Pastor argued the two were different in that North American Community would involve "three sovereign governments that seek to strengthen bonds of cooperation."

Noting that the European Community was a transitional state between the European Common Market and the European Union, Pastor conceded to WND that, "I don't think a political union of North America is an inherently bad idea, nor do I think it is a good idea for right now."

Despite the SPP setback, Pastor remains determined to advise a different approach to his continued goal of integrating the U.S., Mexico and Canada into a North American Community.

"The three heads of state must also commit to building a new consciousness, a new way of thinking about one's neighbors and about the continental agenda," he said. "Americans, Canadians and Mexicans can be nationals and North Americans at the same time."

To correct the defects of the SPP bureaucratic closed-door process, Pastor's CFR article recommended creating new North American institutions, including a North American Investment Fund of at least $20 billion a year "to connect central and southern Mexico to the United States with roads, ports, and communications."

Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, dropped his support for Senate bill 3622 in the 109th Congress when WND reported the North American Investment Fund proposed by the legislation would enact a key proposal Pastor has frequently made for advancing his North American Community agenda.

In his CFR article, Pastor also called for the continuation of annual North American heads-of-state summits and the appointment in the next administration of a national adviser for North American affairs, who would chair a cabinet-level committee to formulate a comprehensive plan for North America.

Pastor also encouraged creating a dozen university centers for North American studies "to educate a new generation of students to think North American."

WND reported on the fourth annual North American Model Parliament held this year in Montreal, Canada, for 100 university students from the U.S., Canada and Mexico.

The North American Model Parliament is sponsored by the North American Forum on Integration, on which Pastor serves as a board member.


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Re: Good News: The North American Union(S.P.P. "deeper intergration" Etc) IS FUCKING DEAD- So Celebrate! [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
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Only a fringe was ever really worried about it.

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Re: Good News: The North American Union(S.P.P. "deeper intergration" Etc) IS FUCKING DEAD- So Celebrate! [Re: DieCommie]
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So you we're all for it?
And no it was not a fringe rejection. Not at all.
Especially when the biggest PUBLIC advocacy organization in Canada was opposed to it.

IMO, you can do whatever you want with your country, we've had plenty of integration, free trade(which is often just forced, and rarely truly free anyway) and the like, keep your American hands out of my country's affairs.

I can't wait for the collapse of globalism.
Which BTW is an excellent book.
I'm barely even a quarter of the way through it, but John Raulston Sual is as perceptive and sharp as ever.

EDIT:
Of course I have the ugly ass yellow copy. :tongue:
But here's the book. I had to order it, so I'm just happy I have it finally.
It could have goatse on the cover for all I care.

Edited by Psilocybeingzz (09/25/08 11:11 AM)

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Re: Good News: The North American Union(S.P.P. "deeper intergration" Etc) IS FUCKING DEAD- So Celebr [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
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I think what DieCommie is saying is that only a bunch of people on the fringe of society, paranoid conspiracy theorists, were worried about it. Maybe I read that wrong though. But I definitely think that.


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Acid doesn't give you truths; it builds machines that push the envelope of perception. Whatever revelations came to me then have dissolved like skywriting. All I really know is that those few years saddled me with a faith in the redemptive potential of the imagination which, however flat, stale and unprofitable the world seems to me now, I cannot for the life of me shake.

-Erik Davis

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Re: Good News: The North American Union(S.P.P. "deeper intergration" Etc) IS FUCKING DEAD- So Celebr [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
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I mean, yikes, the first post in the Related Threads is by Rahie for chrissakes.


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Acid doesn't give you truths; it builds machines that push the envelope of perception. Whatever revelations came to me then have dissolved like skywriting. All I really know is that those few years saddled me with a faith in the redemptive potential of the imagination which, however flat, stale and unprofitable the world seems to me now, I cannot for the life of me shake.

-Erik Davis

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Re: Good News: The North American Union(S.P.P. "deeper intergration" Etc) IS FUCKING DEAD- So Celebr [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
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Quote:
John Ralston Saul, CC (born June 19, 1947) is a Canadian author and essayist.

As an essayist Saul is particularly known for his commentaries on the nature of individualism, citizenship and the public good; the failures of manager-, or more precisely technocrat-, led societies; the confusion between leadership and managerialism; military strategy, in particular irregular warfare; the role of freedom of speech and culture; and his critique of contemporary economic arguments.



He believes globalism will collapse^ What a nut ball. :lol:
These people, who don't use the phrase NAU, but instead called in deeper integration. VVVVVVVVVVVV
Quote:
About us

Founded in 1985, the Council of Canadians is Canada’s largest citizens’ organization, with members and chapters across the country. We work to protect Canadian independence by promoting progressive policies on fair trade, clean water, energy security, public health care, and other issues of social and economic concern to Canadians.

We develop creative campaigns to put some of the country’s most important issues into the spotlight. We work with a network of over 70 volunteer chapters to organize speaking tours, days of action, conferences and demonstrations. We also produce research reports, create popular materials, and work with individuals and organizations across the country and around the world. We do all of this to ensure that governments know the kind of Canada we want.

The Council does not accept money from corporations or governments, and is sustained entirely by the volunteer energy and financial assistance of its members.
Click here to find out how you can join the Council of Canadians.




I find your comment ridiculous OMR, and I also find it a little insulting that you would write off the concerns of millions of people just like that.
I am not religious, superstitions, or an Alex Jones fan boi, far from it.

And yet my concerns over deeper free trade, and the blending of our regulations are simply paranoid conspiracy.

Though of course you go about saying this in a roundabout way.
And I'm sure you could see how I may assume you we're trying to imply that I am one of "those people" :tinfoil: Wrong. Not even close pal.
I'm more rational then 90% of the people you see on the street. No spice.


I'm just glad I'm not a poor little squirrel, because then I would truly feel your wrath :smirk:


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Re: Good News: The North American Union(S.P.P. "deeper intergration" Etc) IS FUCKING DEAD- So Celebr [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
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OneMoreRobot3021 said:
I mean, yikes, the first post in the Related Threads is by Rahie for chrissakes.



Riiiiight. How stupid of me. :rolleyes:
That makes all the difference in the world.
So you mean Rahie might have gotten worked up about this issue?
Well then we we're all crazy for caring about it at all.
Rahie was also concerned about pollution. So we shouldn't be.
Excellent logic. Outside of this forum it's utter useless, but hey...
Association means EVERYTHING. :lol:


So what did I say in Rahie's thread, lets have a look......

Psilocybeingzz said:
RAHIE IS fucked. but the North American Union is serious shit.
PLEASE PLEASE, don't let Rahie confuse the issue.

This IS very important.


I'll bump the story I posted, it's much better.
EDIT:
Some DickFace moved it to PA&L. :tongue:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6960717#Post6960717



Psilocybeingzz said:
I don't want a "free and open world". I want fair trade, and good conditions for workers, and my environment.

The business class wants a "free world". The freedom to do what they please.

Your argument has one major flaw. And it's one word.....

Sovereignty.
I love it, and I plan to keep as much of it as I can. We've already given up far too much.




Psilocybeingzz said:
It's far more the "greasing the gears", try the loss of sovereignty, and deeper rule by big business.

And Nafta fucking sucks. Period. Follow the history and the facts. Seriously, it's not hippie-speech to say the rich are fucking you.


Quote:
North American Union is a way cooler name than the United States of America



I don't ever want to be part of America. We are far to integrated already.... we can't even discuss changing our drug laws without threats from the south.

Besides, you guys are in for major economic decline. Notice the fact the Canadian government is quietly setting up new markets and investments in other countries.

You were warned. Watch out for the hyperinflation. It's coming...




Psilocybeingzz said:
"Prosperity" is how they will try and sell the idea. It's a common trick.

I don't believe it will happen either Redstorm, but that's because I believe people will stand up against the more outrageous parts of the plan.


Then again, I also thought people would stand up against all the horrible shit in Nafta, and they did..... it's just that nothing really changed.



http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6960717#Post6960717
Everyone that agrees with me is one of Rahie's many old puppets that are set to auto-drivel and have somehow so far escaped detection. :hehehe:


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OneMoreRobot3021 said:
I think what DieCommie is saying is that only a bunch of people on the fringe of society, paranoid conspiracy theorists, were worried about it. Maybe I read that wrong though. But I definitely think that.



Yea, that is exactly what I meant.

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Oh wow. Excellent points.
I see now that I was being sooo foolish[/i[. THANK YOU.

Great points, really solid work there DieCommie.
Amazing! I can't argue with that perfect logic.:rolleyes:

:lol:


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