retrospect said:

but dmt does not dissolve in water so it couldnt work unless it was not freebase

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i know snorting does work when its converted to salt form

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You've made some DMT fumarate and tried it? Or know someone who has? (the fumarate is the only salt I'm aware of that can be obtained as a solid)

I've only read successful insufflation attempts with the freebase (which burns like hell in the nose).  I know some folks at the DMT-Nexus were attempting to make DMT fumarate to test out the hypothesis that insufflating a salt would be more effective, but no substantial progress had been made last time I checked the thread (and now the Nexus appears to have been shut down by LEO )

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Entropymancer said:(and now the Nexus appears to have been shut down by LEO )

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WHHHAAA?!?!!

dude...r u serious?!

Entropymancer said:

retrospect said:

but dmt does not dissolve in water so it couldnt work unless it was not freebase

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Two things:
1.) DMT is slightly soluble in water, especially in warm water
2.) The freebase may (or may not) be better for crossing the oral mucosa than a salt, since charged molecules are unable to pass the lipid bilayer.

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i know snorting does work when its converted to salt form

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You've made some DMT fumarate and tried it? Or know someone who has? (the fumarate is the only salt I'm aware of that can be obtained as a solid)

I've only read successful insufflation attempts with the freebase (which burns like hell in the nose).  I know some folks at the DMT-Nexus were attempting to make DMT fumarate to test out the hypothesis that insufflating a salt would be more effective, but no substantial progress had been made last time I checked the thread (and now the Nexus appears to have been shut down by LEO )

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After the nexus discussions it emerged that dmt-fumarate is very easy to make, as a matter of fact it is a very simple 3-step process;

1) saturate acetone with fumaric acid
2) dissolve dmt in some acetone
3) add an amount of fumaric-acid saturated acetone in the acetone-dissolved dmt. Too much is no problem.

dmt-fumarate forms. this is totally insoluble in acetone and precipitates out instantly. Precipitates can be dried at RT (SWIM's FOAF prefers an oven) to give solid beautiful dmt-fumarate.

150mg insufflated do not produce much burnihg (just the uncomfortable sensation of having all this quantity up the nose). The effect takes 3-5 min and for SWIM's FOAF lasts for 45-50min. Very pleasant and not too intense.

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retrospect said:

that sucks about the nexus being down. i hope its only temporary!

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ayahuasquero said:

Are you referring to ayahuasca when you say "jungle juice"? Just curious..

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