zappaisgod said:

Lets get all federal money out of the schools, then the local fools can vote for whatever they want.  How is federal money for schools constitutional?  Render unto the states that which is the states.

A great many people have argued that the Establishment clause has been horribly expanded far beyond any original intent.  How do you stand on legislation by justices?  You seem to be quite in favor of it.  An unelected patriarchy, unfireable and unaccountable, ruling over everythhing?

I think this is yet another point where they have overstepped.

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Ferris said:

I don't think any scientist would use the word "faith" since religion turned its meaning from "firm belief in something for which there is no proof" to "firm belief in something for which there is absolutely no proof and doesn't even make any sort of sense."

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We'll call it common sense combined with an educated guess instead, until someone suggests something more euphemistic.

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Prisoner#1 said:

Entropymancer said:

But notice that abiogenesis has nothing to do with the Theory of Evolution.  They're two spereate ideas.  You can disbelieve abiogenesis all you want.  But to disbelieve that we descended from bacteria is ignorance, plain and simple.

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they may be 2 seperate theories/models but they're closely
ties, without an origin there should be no life to evolve, it
falls back to faith unless bacteria just spontaneously
generated from nothing like matter in the big bang which again
leads us to faith

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Prisoner#1 said:

Ferris said:

We'll call it common sense combined with an educated guess instead, until someone suggests something more euphemistic.

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call it what you want, it still relies on faith

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Entropymancer said:

  All I'm saying is that disbelief of the Theory of Evolution can only be achieved through ignorance.

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Entropymancer said:

Nope, it relies on hypotheses testable by the collection of data.

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Prisoner#1 said:

Entropymancer said:

Nope, it relies on hypotheses testable by the collection of data.

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well whaddaya know... creating is in fact a valid theory.

http://www.amazon.com/Creation-As-Science-Testable-evolution/dp/1576835782

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Prisoner#1 said:

Entropymancer said:

  All I'm saying is that disbelief of the Theory of Evolution can only be achieved through ignorance.

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I'm simply talking about the origins of life and it's basis in
faith regardless of the views one takes and just because you
dont believe one way or another doesnt stop millions of others
from believing which is what the whole creation argument is
about

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Entropymancer said:

  Care to explain how one might go about collecting data to confirm or deny creationism?

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Prisoner#1 said:

Entropymancer said:

  Care to explain how one might go about collecting data to confirm or deny creationism?

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santa was an aminita too... coincidence?

you collect it the same way you would to for claiming a few inanimate molecules created life

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Entropymancer said:

I have no problem with people believing in biblical creation.  But when people start believing that biblical creation occured a few thousand years ago, or that biblical creation contradicts evolution, that's what I have a problem with.

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I can have faith that the sky is red, but that'd be pretty silly since every time I look at the sky I can see it's blue.

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but your observation doesnt take into account time of day,
atmospheric conditions, colorblindness, so when you make the
claim the sky is red, it could in fact be red

we all know it's blue because it reflects the oceans

Arp said:

I would like to see any evidence that backs up the notion of a creator. 

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Ferris said:

Now McCain and Obama are arguing over who supported banking deregulation back in 1999 (re: Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act; S. 900 [106th]).  Of course, banking deregulation is a stance held almost solely along party lines by the GOP, but now that it's being blamed as a cause of the crisis in the financial markets, McCain will do anything to make it sound to the ignorant like it's not his/their fault.

Check for yourself (as if it's necessary to determine actual ideology here):
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s106-900

This clearly shows that the bill was split along party lines in the senate with McCain and the GOP voting for and the Dems and Biden voting against.  But if you listen to McCain, you'd think the opposite happened, because he says that he didn't vote for the "final bill," also called a conference report (the bill is already all but passed at this point).  If you look, you can see that 90 senators voted for the conference report and he just pulled one of his famous no shows.  Biden of course was one of the 90 senators that approved the compromise between the house and senate versions of the bill.

Any questions, class?

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Prisoner#1 said:
I would like to see evidence that some minerals and protiens had
some primeval soup, got liquored up and made children

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Prisoner#1 said:

Arp said:

I would like to see any evidence that backs up the notion of a creator. 

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I would like to see evidence that some minerals and protiens had
some primeval soup, got liquored up and made children

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thedefone said:

From this,

Ferris said:

Now McCain and Obama are arguing over who supported banking deregulation back in 1999 (re: Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act; S. 900 [106th]).  Of course, banking deregulation is a stance held almost solely along party lines by the GOP, but now that it's being blamed as a cause of the crisis in the financial markets, McCain will do anything to make it sound to the ignorant like it's not his/their fault.

Check for yourself (as if it's necessary to determine actual ideology here):
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s106-900

This clearly shows that the bill was split along party lines in the senate with McCain and the GOP voting for and the Dems and Biden voting against.  But if you listen to McCain, you'd think the opposite happened, because he says that he didn't vote for the "final bill," also called a conference report (the bill is already all but passed at this point).  If you look, you can see that 90 senators voted for the conference report and he just pulled one of his famous no shows.  Biden of course was one of the 90 senators that approved the compromise between the house and senate versions of the bill.

Any questions, class?

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to this?

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Prisoner#1 said:
I would like to see evidence that some minerals and protiens had
some primeval soup, got liquored up and made children

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Wow.

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it's called evolution, dont argue it or you'll be labeled an alaskan governor


and we should blame cosater and his off topic videos

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/8959742#Post8959742

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it's called evolution, dont argue it or you'll be labeled an alaskan governor

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