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OfflineBrAiN
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Re: US 'doomed' if creationist president elected: scientists [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7847000 - 01/08/08 07:27 AM (16 years, 24 days ago)

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Evolution is an observable fact. Natural selection is a theory.




I thought it was the visa versa


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Re: US 'doomed' if creationist president elected: scientists [Re: Arp]
    #7847146 - 01/08/08 09:09 AM (16 years, 24 days ago)

If I'm not mistaken Evolution and Intelligent Design are not mutually exclusive. It's the people that believe every single word in the Bible that scare the shit out of me.
I mean think about it, there are many people out there, in this country that LITERALLY think of themselves as Eve's great great great ---granddaughter. If that weren't nuts enough. They think that one of two things is possible: Dinosaurs in the Bible were referenced by metaphor or Dinosaurs are a lie created by Satan.


There was a show on PBS and a court case (Iowa School Board, IIRC), it basically proved two parties got together and changed "Creationism", an inherently religious issue to Intelligent Design after a Supreme Court case stated just that. One of the parties was a publisher, Penguin books, who saved every draft of a new science book. The draft before the Court case cited Creationism. The draft after cited "CrIntelligent Design. It was clear they tried to highlight "Creationism" and replace it with Intelligent Design. And since these drafts were admitted into Court, the Court knew Intelligent Design was a sham.


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Re: US 'doomed' if creationist president elected: scientists [Re: YidakiMan]
    #7847191 - 01/08/08 09:35 AM (16 years, 24 days ago)

Scientific knowledge is a set of facts extrapolated into testable theories, which are either confirmed or refuted and modified or abandoned. For instance, it was observed that things fall down. THAT is a fact. The theory of gravity followed from that observed fact and was tested many times over and found to be an extremely reliable predictor of future events. The theory that the earth sucks didn't fare so well.

It is true that intelligent design and evolution are not de facto mutually exclusive. What is also true is that intelligent design has zero predictive value and thus no value at all. Except to reinforce some delusion that there is a supernatural something doing something for some reason. I, myself, refuse to indulge in that delusion. That way lies madness.


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Re: US 'doomed' if creationist president elected: scientists [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7847202 - 01/08/08 09:41 AM (16 years, 24 days ago)

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That way lies madness.




A little madness is ok



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Re: US 'doomed' if creationist president elected: scientists [Re: BrAiN]
    #7853740 - 01/09/08 01:44 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

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That way lies madness.




A little madness is ok





Sure, but keep it to yourself please.

Madness does not work as public policy.


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Re: US 'doomed' if creationist president elected: scientists [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7853796 - 01/09/08 01:53 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

Did you even watch the video? Obviously not if you didn't realize my post was a joke.

it was a music video by a group called MADNESS

WAKA WAKA WAKA!

Get it?

(taps his mic)

Is this thing on?


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Re: US 'doomed' if creationist president elected: scientists [Re: BrAiN]
    #7853817 - 01/09/08 01:55 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

Jeez, even I knew that before I played the thing. I also knew enough to not start it, for fucks sake. Madness is not survivable in any dosage.


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Re: US 'doomed' if creationist president elected: scientists [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7853824 - 01/09/08 01:56 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

Oh BOOO! That video is the bomb diggity

Next thing you know, zappa will be talking shit about the song "Come on Eileen"


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Re: US 'doomed' if creationist president elected: scientists [Re: BrAiN]
    #7853840 - 01/09/08 01:59 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

Dexy's Midnite Runners. Take that. And this:
We Can Dance; Men Without Hats. I LOVE that song.


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Re: US 'doomed' if creationist president elected: scientists [Re: BrAiN]
    #7853844 - 01/09/08 01:59 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

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Did you even watch the video? Obviously not if you didn't realize my post was a joke.





I wasn't altogether serious myself, kiddo.


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He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus


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Re: US 'doomed' if creationist president elected: scientists [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7853845 - 01/09/08 01:59 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

Ahhhh.... but can you dig... the SPECIALS????


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