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But Obama’s relationship with the twins runs still deeper. The two Fannie CEOs who did the most to corrupt the company, Franklin Raines and Jim Johnson, have close ties with Obama. Raines is one of Obama’s ranking economic advisors. Jim Johnson was actually in charge of vetting Obama’s potential running mates until Obama responded to public pressure and threw Johnson under the bus where he now resides comfortably with Tony Rezko.

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http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2008/09/fannie_freddie_and_barry.asp

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I wasn't looking for it, but I came across this from the New York Times:

"ACCURACY This advertisement forced a series of heated attacks between the McCain and Obama campaigns beginning on Thursday, a debate that was left unresolved by the end of Friday. What is clear is that the McCain campaign has left the strong impression that Mr. Raines, a former chief executive of Fannie Mae who was ousted in 2004 amid an investigation over its accounting practices, is a close adviser to Mr. Obama, a suggestion that is totally unsupported by the facts. But the advertisement’s basic assertion is not a whole-cloth fabrication. The Post reported on July 16, in a Style-section article on Mr. Raines, that he had “taken calls from Barack Obama’s presidential campaign seeking his advice on mortgage and housing policy matters.” Others immediately repeated the information, including Politico.com.

Until the advertisement came out on Thursday evening, the Obama campaign did not question the claim. Since then, it has vigorously denied a relationship between Mr. Obama and Mr. Raines, with Bill Burton, a spokesman for Mr. Obama, calling the advertisement “another flat-out lie from a dishonorable campaign that is increasingly incapable of telling the truth,” and demanding a correction of the original article from The Post. The campaign also sent by e-mail a statement from Mr. Raines, saying: “I am not an advisor to Barack Obama, nor have I provided his campaign with advice on housing or economic matters.” On Friday, Mr. Burton said that Mr. Raines and Mr. Obama met once on the campaign trail, sometime in 2007 or 2008, and had not talked since then. He said Mr. Raines conducted an “introductory meeting” with a Senate aide to Mr. Obama, also sometime in the last two years."

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And how did such a fresh faced politician get so high on the list so fast, right behind two Senatorial lifers?

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Ferris said:

I was referring mostly to the weekly standard.

I don't know why they might donate to the republicans rather than the democrats.  Maybe it's because if the gop had its way, fnm and fre wouldn't even exist in the first place and the middle class would be living on the street or renting straight from their rich constituents.  The religious half of the gop is just too ignorant to understand any of this.

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Aside from all the mud slinging, the fact of the matter is that McCain yet again makes the facts appear to be something that their not, which is another way of saying he's a bold-faced liar.

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zappaisgod said:

The only liar here is, possibly, the Washington Post.  Or Barry and Raines.  Barry and Raines had 3 months to deny the claim the Post made that Raines was advising the campaign on financial matters.  They didn't.  The Post reported it as a fact, not opinion.  Sorry, this "gotcha" has no teeth.

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Also, you've showed your true colors by saying that you could give a shit about social welfare.  Congrats.  Have fun in hell if it really exists, which it doesn't.

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That sort of moralistic appeal to emotion is disgusting.

By the way, he never said he couldn't give a fuck about social welfare. I don't believe he would say that, either. I guarantee you he believes private social welfare is just fine and dandy.

And guess what? I agree with him. Am I going to the fiery gates too?

Prisoner#1 said:

lets take the obama view in the threat of iran, are they a threat or not?

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Context, Pris, Context. Once again in that video they cut him off to make it sound different. And look, that video is fox news. Look at what else they critisice obama for.


Does being a smoker really make that big of a fucking difference? Fuck fox news they attack obama on so many levels, and Im pretty sure they were the ones that did the same thing to ron paul, trying to fuck up his publicity.

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Layzdapipe said:

"They dont pose a serious threat to us like the soviet union once posed a threat to us, yet we were willing to talk to them."

"They dont pose a serious threat to us."

See the difference?

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layzdapipe said:

Context, Pris, Context. Once again in that video they cut him off to make it sound different.

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SAN DIEGO, California (CNN) -- The new offensive in the presidential election is a Spanish-language air war in which each party is trying to convince Latino voters that the other is no amigo to the nation's largest minority and that it did them wrong during the immigration debacle in Congress.

It started last week when the McCain-Palin campaign launched a Spanish ad that, translated, says: "[Barack] Obama and his congressional allies say they are on the side of immigrants. But are they? The press reports their efforts were 'poison pills' that made immigration reform fail. The result: No guest worker program. No path to citizenship. No secure borders. No reform. Is that being on our side? Obama and his congressional allies: Ready to block immigration reform, but not ready to lead."

This week, the Obama-Biden campaign struck back with Spanish radio and TV ads in the heavily-Latino battleground states of Nevada, Colorado and New Mexico. Translated, the TV ad says: "They want us to forget the insults we've put up with, the intolerance. They made us feel marginalized in a country we love so much. John McCain and his Republican friends have two faces. One that lies just to get our vote, and another, even worse, that continues the failed policies of George Bush that put special interests ahead of working families."

Stop the tape! The spots are hard-hitting, but only one hits the target. The McCain-Palin ad is accurate. But the Obama-Biden ad is riddled with problems.

For starters, it diverts attention away from Congress by trying to tie John McCain to conservative radio talk show host Rush Limbaugh, whose picture appears on-screen and who stands accused of referring to "stupid and unskilled Mexicans" and telling immigrants, "You shut your mouth or you get out."

Limbaugh said this week on his radio show that, with the first comment, he was defending the North American Free Trade Agreement and warning against the idea of rewarding "stupid people" with "no skills" in this country -- that is, Americans -- by keeping their jobs in the United States. He suggested letting "stupid and unskilled Mexicans do that work."

With regard to the second comment, Limbaugh said he was simply parroting the philosophy behind Mexican immigration laws, which are notoriously harsh on migrants from Central and South America.

Limbaugh promised listeners that, on Monday's show, he is going to air Spanish translations of the offending remarks to try to set the record straight and clear the air with Latinos.

I'll be listening. But I don't suppose you could say the same for the folks who created the Obama-Biden ad. It is obvious they don't speak "dittohead." They have probably never listened to Limbaugh or any conservative talkers.

Those of us who do know McCain and his bunch aren't exactly "Republican friends." In fact, they're more like enemies. During the Republican primary, right-wing talk show hosts worked overtime to defeat McCain, preferring the more conservative if less electable alternatives Fred Thompson, Mitt Romney or Mike Huckabee.

As for the claim that Republicans have dos caras (two faces), welcome to politics. On the immigration issue, if they pay attention, Latinos will find plenty of that from Democrats. That party had to balance a courtship of Latino voters, who wanted immigration reform, with the edicts of organized labor, which did not. Labor won. That's the whole point of the McCain-Palin ad.

Finally, as for feeling marginalized in a country you love, I have no doubt that many Latino immigrants do love this country, and they contribute enormously to it. Yet others treat it like an ATM, flout its laws, have no interest in becoming legal or a citizen, and -- when they take to the streets -- see no irony in demanding rights from one country while waving the flag of another. Guess what? Such things have a way of making you feel marginalized.

Here's the shame of it: Both political parties have forgotten how to speak to Latino voters. Instead of explaining how their policies will improve people's lives, they try to scare the life out of them. That's unacceptable -- in any language.

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