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Interested in Negatives of Mushies - Please Share!
    #879756 - 09/12/02 05:57 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Hi, I've done quite a bit of research on a bunch of things, and I personally have grown to start to only believe in the positive aspects of Psychedelics and what they do to your body.

Recently, a friends friend took some mushrooms and has been messed up for a week so far and his family is a mess.

This makes me realize that mushrooms truly do have negative effects, whether people want to believe them or not (sure, he could have had a pre-existing mental illness, but you NEVER know, he might not have).

So what i'm interested in - is anyones NEGATIVE experiences / FACTUAL stories/information that people have about Mushrooms, or other "psychedelics", but mostly focusing on Cannabis and Mushrooms.

Please share, thank you for your time.
And no "I'm an Orange, Peel me" stories please, only facts that you truly know to be true, from first hand experience.

Thank you.


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Re: Interested in Negatives of Mushies - Please Share! [Re: Phobos]
    #879899 - 09/12/02 07:15 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Probably the only bad thing that has ever happened to me on shrooms is sometimes is just an umcomfortable feeling and a desire for the trip to end, i almost always experience this unease, but only occurs at parts of the trip.

As far as anything else, its a completely enjoyable drug. Most of the time I feel warm and comfortable and like I could be in no better place than here and now tripping.

I haven't even gotten physically sick!


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Re: Interested in Negatives of Mushies - Please Share! [Re: Phobos]
    #880028 - 09/12/02 08:35 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I probably have gotten as many negatives from tripping as I have positive things ...

First of all, "bad trips" ... I have been almost permanently scarred from this one trip I have taken in particular, last December ... I would pull out the trip report, but it's quite long so I won't ... essentially, it came from poor set and setting ... I have tripped countless times before, but this was the first time eating a 1/4 of Pan Cyan (a reeeeally heavy dose), and I was with somebody who hadn't done it before ... we didn't plan to eat a 1/4 each but we made a calculating mistake ...

Essentially, it was about the farthest you can possibly go on a trip ... rather than reality "distorted" as with most trips, there was NO sense of any kind of reality, just this weird dreamscape which was "real life" ... there was no such thing as "coming back" because I didn't know I was on drugs, I thought it was true reality ... the horrors I experienced on that trip have stayed with me till now, 9 months later ... I could go on for a long time about how this trip changed me, but I won't unless asked to ...

All other negatives from tripping came from true (but negative) realizations about the world and life itself.  Not that it is necessarily BAD, I just feel enlightened but with a depressing connotation.

Generally, as well, I tend to have more than 75% of my trips starting out or ending up entirely bad, due to personal problems ...

However, I continue to trip for a lot of reasons, including a strong desire to venture into different realms of consciousness, be it for better or for worse ...

Sorry for the disorganised state of the post, I have too much to say but don't have the patience to write it all  :smirk:


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Re: Interested in Negatives of Mushies - Please Share! [Re: HB]
    #880035 - 09/12/02 08:39 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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I could go on for a long time about how this trip changed me, but I won't unless asked to ...



You know you were asking for it!  You have now peaked my interest as well as many others I'm sure.  It's your duty to provide a full trip report at this point!  I've never met anyone who has eaten a full 7g of cyans.  :wink:

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Re: Interested in Negatives of Mushies - Please Share! [Re: Phobos]
    #880113 - 09/12/02 09:45 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I've had zero negative effects from mushrooms, aside from a bad trip that turned out good. Here it is if you want to read it: 23-Second Scream

I also have had very slight visuals (patterns move slightly like liquid) constantly since I first took mushrooms (which I don't mind at all), but since I stopped smoking weed they have disappeared. I think mushrooms are even more benign than marijuana.


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Re: Interested in Negatives of Mushies - Please Share! [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #880419 - 09/12/02 01:13 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I've had many negative thoughts on weed and hash before, making a high not very pleasant. But mostly all my experiences of ended up for the better.

I've restrained from dropping shrooms yet because I don't feel emotionally stable right now. I mean I probably could and would be fine, but why take the risk.

Negative effects of weed-
-loss of breath (I have to get back into excercise, rugby coming up in a few months)
-loss of some short term memory
-sometimes i jumble words easier, like when you're high and mix a word around with another

Nothing serious, and here I am still bunning.


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Re: Interested in Negatives of Mushies - Please Sh [Re: Phobos]
    #880500 - 09/12/02 01:46 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

In college I had a rommmate who would completely freak out and become totally paranoid whenever he took shrooms or LSD. He would end up crying and insisting that the cops were going to come and bust him at any moment and trash like that. After a few hours he'd start to come down and then he was OK again. He was so bad that after a few months none of the dealers in town would sell him shrooms or LSD. Other than the freaking out and paranoia nothing bad actually happened, though. It was just really annoying to be around.


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Re: Interested in Negatives of Mushies - Please Share! [Re: Phobos]
    #880508 - 09/12/02 01:50 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Being alive causes people to freak out or have bad experiences. If you are alive and do anything from falling in love to crossing the street you may have negative experiences. That's just what life is.


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Re: Interested in Negatives of Mushies - Please Share! [Re: Xlea321]
    #880518 - 09/12/02 01:53 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

yes, well generally, you don't dose up on life and end up in a state of disconnectedness for the rest of your life.


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Re: Interested in Negatives of Mushies - Please Sh [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #880534 - 09/12/02 02:01 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

CyberChump, I know what you mean by:

"I also have had very slight visuals (patterns move slightly like liquid) constantly since I first took mushrooms (which I don't mind at all), but since I stopped smoking weed they have disappeared. I think mushrooms are even more benign than marijuana."

I can stare at a spackled ceiling or a wooden door or anything with a random pattern and see waves and bulges and other liquid motions. It's also pretty awesome how if you concentrate, you can control the flowing! I pretty much use it for entertainment when Im bored. Although I do get really strange looks from people when they see me staring at the ceiling with my mouth open.  :shocked: :smile: 


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Re: Interested in Negatives of Mushies - Please Sh [Re: bluesky]
    #880596 - 09/12/02 02:37 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

i've never done mushrooms, but i think i got the watery pattern thing.. just not very much... very very very slight.... sort of swirls, kind of... very very slight... hmm


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Re: Interested in Negatives of Mushies - Please Share! [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #880786 - 09/12/02 04:50 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

You asked for it ... my trip report done the day after the most unbelievable and frightening trip of my life ... :

My trip report ? all times are rough guesses and I have left out many details as I cannot put everything into words what occurred that night. i have never felt so dead or near death in my entire life. try to look at it through my eyes.

My friend (I'll call him J) came over to my house lasnight, as he was planning on trip-sitting me. I had eight tabs of acid, and was planning on taking one, as this was the first night that I have been able to trip acid for eight months and did not feel ready for my usual 2-4 hit dosage. However, when he arrived he took out a jar of ecuador shrooms (which also turned out to be cyanescens) and said he would be planning on tripping as well (this being his first time).

It got to 12:30 AM and we finally decided to dose. I took one hit of acid (which I later found out was a pretty heavy dose by itself) and a little more than two of the four huge shrooms (which seemed to be roughly an eighth each), and my friend took the rest, though I told him it might be too much for his first time. I knew my dose was pretty extreme but no matter how far I go I never get to the point where I would hurt myself or do anything stupid, I just chill out and wait it out. My mom was asleep across the hall so it seemed like nothing could go wrong if we just chilled in the room. As I have not eaten for roughly a day before the trip, it came on quickly and heavily.

By the 30 minute mark I was convinced I was peaking because it was already so powerful, and my friend was tripping pretty hard as well. I was sitting at my computer trying to talk to a friend who was tripping on two hits of acid, but I was not able to respond to his messages because my body was too lazy to move whatsoever -- typing in words was a real effort so I just turned off the computer and hung out with my friend. Truly, typing was so hard it was almost unbelievable.

I could tell he was pretty nervous, though he kept saying he was having fun (even though I knew he wasn't). The trip kept getting progressively harsher, quickly, and I knew I was in for something really heavy that I have never experienced before. The truth is I had no idea what I was in for.
By the first hour, I was tripping harder than all previous trips on mushrooms and acid, and I could tell my friend was scared, though he was very introverted. My room was extremely intimidating (for lack of a better word) and I kept saying how sorry I was to my friend for how bad this trip was turning out. Time became extremely slow, almost at the stopping point. I would constantly look at the clock but would become distracted knowing I didn?t know at all what the terms ?minutes? and ?hours? meant and I quickly forgot how long ago we dosed, so it was hard for me to determine how much time we had left.

By 2 AM or so, I was having severe double vision and open-eyed hallucinations which scared me a lot, and my friend was on my bed though I could not see him clearly because my vision was so out of focus. My vision truly was becoming one large, flowing hallucination. The beauty I usually get from the intense colors was replaced by the intensity of how simple and undetailed everything was.

I couldn't tell if my friend was crying or what, I just saw this body lying there, and him whimpering about how strong this trip was and I really agreed. However, I thought it could not POSSIBLY get stronger, and kinda chilled out until I realized it WAS getting stronger, a lot stronger. I'd guess at about 2:20 - 2:30 AM (my eyes were too fucked up to verify this time) my friend was on the bed crying hysterically and screaming things like "What the f*** is happening to me? Where am I?!" and at this point I could tell I was too far gone to help him though I tried my best. He was having too horrible of a crisis for me to truly realize how far I was going myself.

I looked at the clock to try and find out how long we had left so as to reassure my friend that we would be back to normal eventually, but I realized that minutes and hours truly meant NOTHING and I could not associate words with meanings, I realized I had gone insane. I was CONVINCED I would never come back, the thought of a reality ever existing before the trip was not possible. I forgot how to go sleep, or eat, and at this point I can clearly remember that I was sure I was about to die or just never return, and my reality rapidly changed. I remember thinking that I really forgot how to go to sleep or eat, and figured I was either already dead or would die eventually but wouldn?t realize it. My open-eye visuals weren't just visuals now, my entire room turned into a hallucination. I walked around mindlessly in the room which seemed so alien that I did not know where I was, scared beyond comprehension. I could clearly see my computer, with a wall where a window was supposed to be, and the door to my hall, but I didn?t know the door lead anywhere. I ?knew? that the room we were in was how life really is, just a false reality, everything felt so fake that it scared me. I forgot my friend's name and my name, and that I ingested a drug. My trip STILL became stronger and stronger, visually and especially mentally.

Now I realized I had lost all grip on reality and ran around my room hoping to find something to grasp onto and keep myself from completely losing my mind. I could see objects around my room, such as magazines, but they were all "mutated" and were also very frightening as I now knew I could not even see the cover of a magazine. I walked in circles, truly mindlessly, not realizing I was walking in the same path and thinking the same frightening thoughts over and over. My room became more and more "simplified" as everything lost detail, it was all solid blocks of color which meant nothing to me. This just intensified the scary thoughts of how FAKE everything was, it was all just props.

My friend told me he NEEDED the phone to talk to somebody, anybody, but I could not see a phone. I finally found it, and he told me to dial a number though I could not see buttons on the phone -- numbers also meant nothing to me so I pushed randomly and somehow reached his friend Dean whom he was calling. Was it really Dean, I will not know, all I kept hearing from the other side of the phone was this truly FRIGHTENING maniacal laugh, which I assumed was some sort of God or higher power that laughed at the fact that I was in the TRUE world and couldn?t deal with it. I repeatedly attempted to ask my friend if he also felt like he would never come back, and his answer was always the same ?I can?t live life like this.? Since the idea of my old life was really too far back to even be able to think about, all I knew was where I was. There are so many details I cannot explain which I would if I could, but they are almost all just feelings which I cannot explain.

This was nearing the harshest, scariest moment of my trip (and my life). Now, I forgot my friend existed, and could not see or hear him (though I found out he was still screaming). My ENTIRE concept of reality was GONE. I was positive I was either dead or had completely gone to another realm of existence where everything was simplified and very primitive -- at the most intense part of the peak my room was reduced to nothing more than a square with solid-colored objects, and my vision became very slow, I would only see one "frame" every few seconds. I began to "see" and "talk to" beings which did not exist, yet were ?there.? They were saying things about how far into the true simple reality I was, and they kept talking in complete circles. Everything they ?said? really scared me so much I can still feel how scared I was. Things were just so fucking SIMPLIFIED, it is truly unbelievable and I just cannot explain the feelings I had realizing the new reality I was in. Time was distorted so that each frame of vision felt like truly FOREVER and I just was positive I would never come back ?

This lasted for a really long time, and I just dealed with understanding that life would never be the same for me again. That the reality I was in was real and the rest of life is all a stage and props. Everything was just too pure, too simplified, too INSANE for me. Mentally I felt like I was collapsing, a quick downward spiral. Never on any dose of any other drug have I ever even gotten CLOSE to how far gone I was. Everything was an endless circle and pattern, I just really could not deal with it at all, but I was also so far gone that the concept of suicide luckily never even occurred to me.

At a certain point I just kinda got out of that absolutely intense stage and heard my friend still screaming for somebody to help him. Nothing I could do would help him, and so I gave him the phone. He wanted me to call his mom, and so I did my best to push the buttons and call but figured that since we were in this new, real reality, we could never again reach all the people left in the ?old world.? I thought that everybody else really just disappeared, that calling a person on a phone would never do anything, because a phone is just a prop. I thought about how could people possibly use these phones to talk to one another, when everything is so fake? When I thought about my mom across the hall, I felt as though she was fake too. EVERYTHING was just fucking fake. These thoughts were unbearable ?
I told my friend it was a horrible idea but he called his mom and told her as best he could that we were on magic mushrooms and that he needed her to pick him up. Every second after that call he would yell out, in this little kid?s frightened voice ?My mom is coming, my mom is coming, I can hear her car, she?s coming? and he would just repeat that. I can totally sympathize with him, as I remember when I was very young and was at a friend?s house for a sleep over I?d get extremely home-sick and want my mom to come get me. I felt horrible for him. He realized he was fucking my life over and fully apologized for it.

Well he said he heard a honk (I think I heard one too) and I walked downstairs alone, he was wrapped up in many blankets on my bed, just freaking out. I at first saw nobody outside, but then I heard a loud pounding on the door, and I thought it was the police, and that we were going to jail for a long time. I felt like I had gone so completely insane that getting arrested didn?t scare me, I was just a mad person. But I opened the door without realizing the alarm was on, and then quickly turned it off. My friend?s parents looked at me and demanded to know what was going on, what we were smoking, etc., and though I could hear what he was saying I did not know how to reply to him, words made no sense to me. I just said ?nothing? and went up to my room to get my friend, but he said he wanted them to come upstairs. Then I walked back into my hall and down the stairs, and saw my mom coming as well (oh fuck). I took the parents upstairs into my room, where they got my friend up and out of bed, and he did not even know how to put his pants on, he was so scared, so they helped him, and then quickly took him out the door without really saying so much as a word.

I knew I was in for it. My mom was fucking beyond pissed, she was scared, and I later found out she spent the entire night thinking the parents would call the police on us. She yelled and screamed and kept calling me a druggie, a failure, I would never go anywhere in life, I was going to be pulled out of my school, no more driving, no more seeing friends, no more art, NOTHING, my life would come to an absolute standstill. As I was still too fargone on the trip to be able to comprehend what kind of life I was in for, I just kinda sat there and felt really horrible, beyond belief. My mom asked me where the rest of the mushrooms were. Since I really did not know how to talk I just said ?there wasn?t much to begin with? and she repeated the question though I was really mentally unable to answer her. Then she asked ?where did you get the drugs from?? I kinda looked down, trying to think where I got them from but couldn?t for some reason realize the kid grew them, so I said ?random people.? She said ?Who?!? I said a few names of my friends without realizing they had no part in this, the kid grew the mushrooms. She was pissed and started going off on a rant about how my life was over. I have nothing to look forward to. I am a complete failure. And everything she said REALLY got to me, unbelievably harsh, it just bothered the FUCK out of me. I walked back to my empty room, and on the way I saw my Christmas tree, unlit, with blank presents under the tree. The tree, being unlit, reminded me so much of how much I fucked my life over, how my mom thought of me as a failure, how I could never again enjoy just being happy and joking with my family. The presents, which no longer had labels or designs, just plain prop boxes, also reminded me of how much I fucked up. I wished I was dead, and that thought stayed with me for the rest of the night.

I got into my bed, and felt the loneliest and saddest I think I have ever felt in my entire life. Still, NOTHING made sense, and I was positive I would never come down, I had permanently lost my mind. Only the worst and scariest possible thoughts would go in my head, and they were on an infinite loop.

My room was barely lit by this little candle, and I looked at my table that had this little prop toy of a tiki figure, and I clenched it, hoping it would bring back any reality at all, and I eventually fell asleep, still clenching it ?

What happened the next morning, as in my punishment and talk with my mom, is unimportant, I just felt I should clear up all the rumors running around the forum.

Every night now I can?t sit in my bed or in my room without thinking back to the horrible thoughts and feelings I had that night, and I can never look at my room the same way again.


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Re: Interested in Negatives of Mushies - Please Share! [Re: HB]
    #880842 - 09/12/02 05:11 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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I just dealed with understanding that life would never be the same for me again




*dealt  :cool:

Damn ignorant old people shouldn't be allowed around trippin people.


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    #880849 - 09/12/02 05:16 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

lol ... the day after the harshest few hours of my life, I didn't care much about grammar, it seemed quite trivial  :wink:


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    #880880 - 09/12/02 05:32 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Very intense trip. It almost reminded me of the time I decided it would be slick to eat a 10 strip... Anyway, I have one question. Did your friend "J" decide to ever trip again? What happened to him anyway (parents, etc.)?

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Re: Interested in Negatives of Mushies - Please Share! [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #881529 - 09/13/02 09:26 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I haven't really talked to him since ...

He didn't get in trouble with his parents, they just threw away his grow setup ...

I myself was in a whole lot of shit ...


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    #881535 - 09/13/02 09:28 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Jesus.


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Re: Interested in Negatives of Mushies - Please Share! [Re: Phobos]
    #881595 - 09/13/02 09:57 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Interesting topic...well, for me the negatives have been:

Weed:

- paranoia (when, oh when will legalization come?)
- the occasional (every 18 months or so) 'panic attack' that comes from a too much, too soon smoke out...
- munchies..eating *that* much just cannot be good for a person...:>)

Shrooms:
- Watering eyes
- uncontrollable laughter on occasion

Not so bad, eh? I can think of many worse neg's for alcohol....personally and other...


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Re: Interested in Negatives of Mushies - Please Share! [Re: Phobos]
    #881926 - 09/13/02 12:55 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I had a bad stomach ache, while I was tripping. This gave me mental pictures, of my stomach ripping, and insides bleeding. 3 days later, i was still checking my stool for evidence of blood.. and worrying everytime i didn't feel right. I was really scared. During the trip, i ended up throwing up, crying etc.... it was just bad.


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Re: Interested in Negatives of Mushies - Please Share! [Re: Phobos]
    #882379 - 09/13/02 04:34 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

the only negative ive ever encuntered with shrooms was coming down..... i hate to come down, back the "fake" world..... i hear ya heavenlyblue.... this worls is just a big set up, sorry to hear about your trip, im glad you got out of it with out hurting yourself or someone else.....i myself get the same way on high doses....though i never ate that many, and never had acid either, but i like that feeling.....why does everything have to be so complicated anyway? .....but i guess when you get oversimplified such as in the described trip it can be a bit frightning.....


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