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Re: Pan Cyan?? Growing on straight straw
    #85797 - 05/21/00 12:28 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Hi,

I've cultivated Pan cyan on hay alone. It worked good, I got about 2.5 flushes.
They didn't want to fruit directly on cased rye, so I pasteurized hay, spawned,
incubated, and only 1 week after I cased I had a nice amount of Pan cyan. It should
also work with straw. Actually I'm going to grow some on straw next week. I'm right now
incubating the spawn.
You really need only a very thin casing layer...

I've seen that Pan cyan is very sensible to high humidity, much more than Psi cub.
I've had some containers in which the fruits didn't want to develope normally. The
fruits were very thin and didn't sporulate. So watch the humidity...


Elektrolurch

quote:
Originally posted by Mycelium5150:
I was planning on using a straw manure mix but figure i otta just use straw first. Has anyone used plain straw for pans. I would expect that the manure mix would be better but i just want plain ole straw. While im at it though what about the manure straw mix for cubes? Anyone try this yet?
MYcelium



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Re: Pan Cyan?? Growing on straight straw
    #85798 - 05/21/00 04:12 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Hi 5150
I have had some problems with
straw in the past but found out that
the key with straw is lots of spawn
to the straw this has worked for me with cubies.
Pan Cyan/Trops are still bothering me
It's strange but I have had more success
with grain then straw(don't ask me why?)
But every experment I have done tells me that
the more inoculant you use the better the result.
One more tip is watch the moisture level.
Straw can dry out quickly so as soon as it's
at 100% case it.
Pan Cyan is not easy to grow and still
a bit expermental, my straw did not fruit
But maybe yours will.
If you get something to work let me know
Good Luck.


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Re: Pan Cyan?? Growing on straight straw
    #85800 - 05/22/00 09:19 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Could you say semething about the spawn/substrate ratio you use and your method of pasteurizing please? I?m having a 4 kilo wet weight strawbag with tropicalis right now. Used a mixture of hay, straw, and wormcastings. Grew out real quick (9 days, 3/4 liter spawn)


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Re: Pan Cyan?? Growing on straight straw
    #85801 - 05/23/00 05:37 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Hi,

I maybe use, in comparisson to other people, high rates of spawn, but I also grow in a smaller scale...

I use about 0.5 to 1 L of rye spawn for 2 to 3 L of end substrate. This means I use about 25 % vol of the end moist substrate. I'm sorry that I don't have the density for moist straw/hay.
The colonizing velocity of Pan cyan I've measured lies between 0.2 to 0.4 L/d (Liters of end substrate per day), when it is incubated at 27 C. The velocity for Psi cub
is about the same at 28 C. The colonizing velocity should not depend on the volume you are colonizing, if you use constant relative amounts of spawn. But I don't have consice data on that.
One more thing to this velocities: I select the cultures, i.e. no multispore inoculation but a pure agar culture. There is a big difference in colonizing velocities, because using agar you don't have an offset as a consequence of the time the spores would need to germinate.

I sterilize the straw/hay for 30min at 121 C. It is for me much more convenient and energy saving to sterilize for 30 min than to pasteurize for 45min to 1 hour. And I've had good experience with this method.


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quote:
Originally posted by teo:
Could you say semething about the spawn/substrate ratio you use and your method of pasteurizing please? I?m having a 4 kilo wet weight strawbag with tropicalis right now. Used a mixture of hay, straw, and wormcastings. Grew out real quick (9 days, 3/4 liter spawn)

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Re: Pan Cyan?? Growing on straight straw
    #85802 - 05/26/00 07:20 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks man. that?s the kind of information that is realy usefull. That, and some good analyses from a genuine paradigm of mushroom cultivation.
I think the hay is a good ingredient by the way. Going to start some experiments with fermenting straw with hay during a couple of days before pasturizing it. Could be interesting.


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Re: Pan Cyan?? Growing on straight straw
    #85803 - 05/27/00 12:37 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Bio wrote some month ago, that he lets the straw ferment 10 days in water, when he is going to use it for Lib Caps. Maybe he can give you some advice or share his experience with the fermentation...

Elektrolurch


quote:
Originally posted by teo:
Thanks man. that?s the kind of information that is realy usefull. That, and some good analyses from a genuine paradigm of mushroom cultivation.
I think the hay is a good ingredient by the way. Going to start some experiments with fermenting straw with hay during a couple of days before pasturizing it. Could be interesting.



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Re: Pan Cyan?? Growing on straight straw
    #85804 - 05/29/00 09:46 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

One major drawback to the straw tek is contamination. When straw is sterlized (or pasturized) in very high temps it appears to get hit by a mold that thrives in high temps (like the green mold). I had a few troubles with this, but this is what I do -
I prepare the straw than pasturize it. Let it stand in the bag after pasturizing a day or so, than pasturize again. This would eliminate all mold because the spores that hatched in the high temps of the first pasturizing will die in the next one.
Use spawn and case with a thin layer for Pan Cyans/Trop. Besides the high sensitivity for high humidity it needs lots of air exchange per day (not like Cubes, much more) so keep your terrarium ventilated or open it and let air exchange like 5 times a day ok?

Good luck,
trade_omlet.



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