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Spore Results: P. castaneifolius and subbalteatus PICS!
    #853263 - 08/30/02 01:47 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Spore Results: P. castaneifolius and subbalteatus [Re: ]
    #853311 - 08/30/02 02:19 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Good Job Mr_Mushrooms.

these spores' IDs rocks.
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Re: Spore Results: P. castaneifolius and subbalteatus [Re: Hermes_br]
    #853344 - 08/30/02 02:46 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

And the other jet black ones are subbs right? Think you already told me that, cool so I was right about having found the majority castaneifolius, and they were too large for foenescii...thanks Mr Mushroom the Greek...hehe.

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Re: Spore Results: P. castaneifolius and subbalteatus [Re: StInvetroThomas]
    #853441 - 08/30/02 03:45 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Spore Results: P. castaneifolius and subbalteatus [Re: ]
    #853566 - 08/30/02 05:36 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Thank you very much for looking at those spores for me. I am glad to hear that my ID skills are not too shabby.

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Re: Spore Results: P. castaneifolius and subbalteatus [Re: ]
    #853638 - 08/30/02 06:24 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Can I send you some spores of some pans I found, that I couldn't identify?


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Re: Spore Results: P. castaneifolius and subbalteatus [Re: Remy]
    #853668 - 08/30/02 06:38 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

i have found very large specemines of panaeolina foenisecci.
up to 3 in dia.
panaeolinas gills are much more spaced out than panaeolus.
you shouldnt rule them out for size characteristics,
and a grey purple print does not seem particularly disinguishable to a brown-purple print,
this spore color would not rule the mushroom out as panaeolina, the size may however identify it as a new subspecies.
it certainly would not indicate any panaeolus speceis as per the non-black sporeprint which is probably the most important factor in that ID


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Re: Spore Results: P. castaneifolius and subbalteatus [Re: Remy]
    #853717 - 08/30/02 07:00 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Spore Results: P. castaneifolius and subbalteatus [Re: Mitchnast]
    #854049 - 08/30/02 10:17 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Spore Results: P. castaneifolius and subbalteatus [Re: ]
    #854283 - 08/31/02 02:20 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I am fortunate to have Pans growing in my garden and this summer I had many flushes. They grow from the soil at the base of an old wood pile but I have been putting manurer in the yard for years. I thought they were Pan subs and observed them relentlessly with every flush. Then I saw the photos of the Pan casters and decided that the mushrooms looked like them. The spore colour changed every day with the developement of the mushroom as did the gills. If you asked me to tell you what colour the spores or the gills were, I wouldn't be able to as they changed colour every day. The spores aged from light brown to very very dark brown / black with no sign of purple. A few hours difference in harvest time changes the colours. The caps came in many different colours with different flushes including one albino flush of twelve pure waxy white mushrooms that never took on any colour and the only thing I could think of was different growing conditions. I had a flush of one single mushroom almost 4" across although the majority were 1 1/4". The spores are supposed to be lens shaped but all I could see was they were round; I couldn't judge the depth as I only have a 200X scope. They could have been lense shaped. I came to the conclusion they were Panaoleni because of MJShroomer's observation that when viewed from below the cap forms a 3/4 circle and then a straight line intersects the two points. A lot of my caps were shaped this way with the piece missing. I was happy with that until I ate three very tiny mushrooms and had a definite brightening of vision and uplifting of spirit. This was not 5HTP as I take 5HTP supplements and know it's effects. I ate one larger one another time and had the same brightening effect. I believe they are active so that ruins my identification. Now I'm back to not knowing. I'm waiting for another flush but it's been a long time since the last one, and I think maybe they are finished for this season. They've been growing there for a few years, so I might have to wait until next summer. In the mean time, I still don't know what they are.

The point I am trying to make is that when you talk about the colour of the mushrooms and the spores you should be talking about a range of colour as the colour changes every day. To be fixated and say THAT is the colour is a wrong way.


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Re: Spore Results: P. castaneifolius and subbalteatus [Re: Orchidman]
    #854541 - 08/31/02 08:48 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Spore Results: P. castaneifolius and subbalteatus [Re: Mitchnast]
    #854901 - 08/31/02 01:25 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

i have found very large specemines of panaeolina foenisecci. up to 3 in dia.

I have only ever found there caps to grow to about 3cm myself, but I have found a Panaeolina(?) species with chocolate brown spores that is typically 2-6cm in cap diameter.


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Re: Spore Results: P. castaneifolius and subbalteatus [Re: ]
    #855023 - 08/31/02 02:42 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks Mr. Mush for all you great help..........................peace


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Re: Spore Results: P. castaneifolius and subbalteatus [Re: ]
    #855099 - 08/31/02 03:36 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I just looked at the almost 4" mushroom with my eyes, but they are trained eyes that are used to comparing the size of orchid flowers as that is one of the criteria for judging. I say approximately 3 5/8 inches roughly. If you want to have giant sized dahlias you cut off all the other buds and only let one bud form. Because there was only one mushroom in the flush all the strength went into forming it. I do not find it hard to believe that it grew so large. The Grow/Find section of the Shroomery says that Pan subs have brown spore prints, but everybody else says they are jet black. Mine are dark chestnut brown/black with no purple. This leads me to believe they are Pan subs and they look like Pan subs but they have the silver stem like the Pan casters. The spore print has the even neat pattern of the Pan subs and looks identical to the photos posted elsewhere. Even though I don't know what they are, I am having a lot of fun trying to figure it out.


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Re: Spore Results: P. castaneifolius and subbalteatus [Re: Orchidman]
    #855108 - 08/31/02 03:45 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Spore Results: P. castaneifolius and subbalteatus [Re: ]
    #855943 - 09/01/02 12:39 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Can Pan. Subbs have a spore printe other than black?......peace

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Re: Spore Results: P. castaneifolius and subbalteatus [Re: GSAfarmer]
    #855971 - 09/01/02 01:03 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

No, Black sproes belong to the family Coprinaceae, which include Coprnius, Copelandia, and Panaeolus.

Panaeolus differs from the other black-spored genera in having mottled gills and spores that retain their colour in concentrated sulphuric acid.

Coprinus, also black-spored is either plicate-striate or autodeliquescent.

Panaeolina foenisecii can be distinuished from Panaeolus by their deep purple fuscous warty spores while Panaeolus spores which are black and are lemon-shaped or ellipsoid with apical pore and are smooth.

All species of this genus, except Panaeolina foenisecii grows on dung be spring to fall, while P. foenisecii grows on lawns. and pastures in the summer and fall.

mj

There is a lot more but too numerous and many to mention

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Re: Spore Results: P. castaneifolius and subbalteatus [Re: GSAfarmer]
    #855991 - 09/01/02 01:29 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Can Pan subs have a spore print other than jet black? This is my biggest confusion. Mine are black but not jet black. The colour variation is slight but definite. I need to know the answer to this question as well. Why does the Grow/Find info of the Shroomery say brown and everyone else say jet black? Is it possible that the spores of Pan subs can be other than jet black?

I left the giant sub too long before picking and the last day there was a very heavy rain and it just smashed the mushroom to pieces. When I got home from work it was being devoured by sow bugs and slugs. I was so disgusted I killed the slugs on the wood pile and let the sowbugs eat it. Maybe they will spread the spores around in their poop. The sowbugs only seem to eat the mushrooms after they are dead but not at the beginning.

Mr Mushrooms,
If you like I could send you a piece of a dried mushroom. It would have the spores in it for you to look at.


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Re: Spore Results: P. castaneifolius and subbalteatus [Re: Orchidman]
    #856255 - 09/01/02 07:55 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Spore Results: P. castaneifolius and subbalteatus [Re: ]
    #857313 - 09/01/02 05:16 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)











Here are several images of the subbs I found over the last little while, sorry if the quality lacks...need to install photoshop again...cheers. All were found growing in new lawns, spore prints jet black.



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RIP Matt, your friendship and your contributions to the world of fungi will be missed. Unfortunately we never got to hunt together.

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