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panaeolina genus
    #2023464 - 10/19/03 08:45 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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I found this species growing near where i found some pan fs growing, now many people say Pan f.s arnt active, so are there any species of the panaeolina genus that are? These mushrooms are simular to pan f's but the caps and spoores are much lighter.
I guess they are Pan f's. Any one that knows more about Panaeolina genus please reply to this post 


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Re: panaeolina genus [Re: Musher]
    #2023597 - 10/19/03 09:31 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

no panaeolinas at all are active


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Re: panaeolina genus [Re: Musher]
    #2025727 - 10/20/03 03:26 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Have you done a microscopic examination of the spores?

Panaeolina is a genus split off from Panaeolus by some authors on the basis that the spores are not smooth walled. Other authors just leave them in the genus Panaeolus.

If you haven't yet, make a spore print on white paper. Use that to determine the spore print color. For Paneolus, it should be black or dark purplish brown. If it's another color, then you've got a mushroom in another genus.

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Re: panaeolina genus [Re: ToxicMan]
    #2025786 - 10/20/03 03:45 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Dark Purplish Brown,what are ways on determining the species?  


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Re: panaeolina genus [Re: ToxicMan]
    #2026132 - 10/20/03 05:49 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Hi, Panaeolina species have four in the genera and have purple-brown spores.

Panaeolus has ov er 26 species in the genera and has black spores.

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Re: panaeolina genus [Re: Musher]
    #2026600 - 10/20/03 08:40 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I don't have a key to the genus. My references only list the standard Panaeolina foenisecii.

MJ, do you have a key to Panaeolina (or a good one for Panaeolus)?

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Re: panaeolina genus [Re: ToxicMan]
    #2027243 - 10/21/03 12:53 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Yes there is the key and the whole paper on it in the General Information section of the site. Observations Regarding the Suspected Psychoactive Propeties of Panaeolina foenisecii Maire. by John W. Allen and Mark D. Merlin

The one in the Faq is wrong and was in the corrections and guide I sent to Mr. Mushroom which no one here seems to know what he did with it. I will look in my library and get back to you on this tomrorow.
mj

In Paul Stamets first book Psilocybe Mushrooms and Their Allies, Paul writes in the keys to Sprophariaceae of North American species and notes that,

"Panaeolus foenisecii (also known as Panaeolina foenisecii) has a deep brown spore deposit, not black or violet-black as is typical of all other panaeoli." He also mentions the keys but this is his only comment about them in the key.

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