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Re: Zero Point Energy Extraction Has Arrived [Re: Seuss]
    #8510155 -

Wait, so he created his own journal to publish his papers describing a type of molecular bond that he 'discovered'? And he has a trademark on the name?

This guy is a fraud, plain and simple.

Thank you, Seuss, for taking the time for this, though it may be wasted on the OP.


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Re: Zero Point Energy Extraction Has Arrived [Re: zouden]
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> This guy is a fraud, plain and simple.

He has some interesting work... though it is mostly based upon patents from the late 1800's... (thus not really original).  Unfortunately, his 2% interesting work is overshadowed by his 98% bogus arm waving.


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Re: Zero Point Energy Extraction Has Arrived [Re: Seuss]
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He certainly would not be the first intelligent man to waste his talents on 'free energy.' Such a shame.


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Re: Zero Point Energy Extraction Has Arrived [Re: Seuss]
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Distilled water is most certainly electrically conductive so sorry your flat out wrong on that assumption.  Go jump in a bath of distilled water with a toaster and then get back to me lmao!!!!

Magnecular is just like it sounds magnetized molecular bonds.

Excerpts from the paper

However, as soon as the strong electric polarization of
the molecule H–O–H is removed, the strong attraction
3 between opposite polarities of the magnetic fields of the
polarized H atoms become dominant over the Coulomb
5 repulsion of the charges, resulting in a new configuration
of the water molecule depicted in Figs. 19 and 20
7 apparently presented in this paper for the first time.

Alternatively, the loss of electric polarization in the
transition from H–O–H to (H × H)–O is expected to
11 cause the loss of the processes permitting the very existence
of the water molecule, such as the hydrogen
13 bridges between dimers O–H of different molecules.
Transition to a gaseous form is then consequential, thus
15 confirm the plausibility of the new form of water (H ×
H)–O proposed in this paper.

It is well established in quantum mechanics that 55
toroidal polarizations of the orbitals of the hydrogen
atom as in the configuration of Fig. 13 create very 57
strong magnetic fields with a symmetry axis perpendicular
to the plane of the toroid, and with a value of 59
said magnetic field sufficient for the creation of the
new chemical species of magnecules.

The capability by the HHO gas to melt instantaneously
tungsten and bricks is the strongest evidence on the existence in the HHO gas of basically new chemical species that cannot possibly have a valance bond, since a mixture of 2 3 19 H2 and 13 O2 cannot melt instantly tungsten and bricks, 21 as any interested chemist is encouraged to verify.



Oh but I thought judging by your previous calculations browns gas doesn't even exist Seuss?


No Seuss it isn't stoichiometric can you please stop misinterpreting data thanks.


The most important part you missed.

Therefore, we have the anomaly of 12.3 − 11.2 = 19 1g/mol, corresponding to 8.8% anomalous increase in
the value of the specific weight. Rather than the predicted 66.66% of H2 the gas contains only 60.79% of
the species with 2 atomic mass units (amu), and rather
23 than having 33.33% of O2 the gas contains only 30.39%
of the species with 32 amu.
25 These measurements provide direct experimental evidence
that the HHO gas is not composed of a sole mix27
ture of H2 and O2, but has additional heavier species.
Moreover, the HHO gas used in the tests was produced from distilled water. Therefore, there cannot be
an excess of O2 over H2 to explain the increased specific
31 weight. The above measurement establishes the presence
in HHO of 5.87% of hydrogen and 2.94% oxy33
gen bonded together into species heavier than water, as
identified below via mass spectroscopy and other ana35
lytic measurements.


And then you completely dishonor a distinguished professor nothing new here.  Do you realize that Hadronic press is one of the most elite physics journals published today?  http://www.hadronicpress.com/edit_board.htm

Edited by buddhahoodlum (06/11/08 03:47 PM)

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Re: Zero Point Energy Extraction Has Arrived [Re: buddhahoodlum]
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Quote:
Distilled water is most certainly electrically conductive so sorry your flat out wrong on that assumption.  Go jump in a bath of distilled water with a toaster and then get back to me

  Pure water is electrically an insulator.  The only reason you think water conducts electricity is because non-pure water has dissolved ions in it.

Regardless....  :kingtard:

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Re: Zero Point Energy Extraction Has Arrived [Re: DieCommie]
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Well your half right distilled water does not conduct electricity by itself but it can most certainly be used for electrolysis which is what Seuss was saying it could not be used for.  In the absence of dissolved electrolytes, distilled water will not conduct electricity, so no electrolysis occurs but when the heck are you not gonna add electrolyte for electrolysis which is what controls your amperage for the most part?


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Re: Zero Point Energy Extraction Has Arrived [Re: DieCommie]
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Yes, distilled water does not conduct electricity. This is a verifiable fact.


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Re: Zero Point Energy Extraction Has Arrived [Re: buddhahoodlum]
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buddhahoodlum said:
lmao!!!!



Not as much as I, I'm sure.:smirk:


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Re: Zero Point Energy Extraction Has Arrived [Re: HagbardCeline]
    #8511928 -

Actually maybe I am right http://technorati.com/videos/youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DmnPakaI701Y


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“Ere many generations pass, our machinery will be driven by power obtainable at any point in the universe...it is a mere question of time when men will succeed in attaching their machinery to the very wheel-work of nature."
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Re: Zero Point Energy Extraction Has Arrived [Re: buddhahoodlum]
    #8511972 -

u know, if u fill a tub up w/ distilled water, then jump in, the water isn't distilled b/c of all the paticles and salts that dissolve in it from your skin.

btw, no, u are still wrong.


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Re: Zero Point Energy Extraction Has Arrived [Re: iateshaggy]
    #8512046 -

Save your arguments and focus on the larger point at hand which is the 10% anomalous gas and not the purported stoichiometric mix like Seuss thinks and misinterprets for his own self delusion.  But thanks for proving I'm right Iamshaggy since that is what I said would happen with the toaster idea correct?


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“Ere many generations pass, our machinery will be driven by power obtainable at any point in the universe...it is a mere question of time when men will succeed in attaching their machinery to the very wheel-work of nature."
- Nikola Tesla


Edited by buddhahoodlum (06/16/08 05:05 AM)

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Re: Zero Point Energy Extraction Has Arrived [Re: buddhahoodlum]
    #8512387 -

> Distilled water is most certainly electrically conductive so sorry your flat out wrong on that assumption.

:rofl2:

Thanks, I needed a good laugh.

> Actually maybe I am right

No, actually, you are not.


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Re: Zero Point Energy Extraction Has Arrived [Re: Seuss]
    #8512445 -

Well, doesn't the autolysis of water provide some means to transfer current?  Would be a very limited current,  but its something....

so there'd be around 2 x10 to -7 ions in distilled water at STP, half hydronium, half hydroxide

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Re: Zero Point Energy Extraction Has Arrived [Re: johnm214]
    #8512876 -

i thought i told him jumping in a tub of water un-distills it?  it is impossible to jump in a tub of undistilled water and it be distilled, just like zero point energy.


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Re: Zero Point Energy Extraction Has Arrived [Re: iateshaggy]
    #8513016 -

You should have looked for the Casimir Effect, not just Casimir. And yeah the whole HHO gas thing is real, sorry I didn't bother to waste my time with such nonsense, so IDK what that argument is about. Come back when you have some good evidence supporting your claims, i.e. never.

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Re: Zero Point Energy Extraction Has Arrived [Re: sativa RG]
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> Well, doesn't the autolysis of water provide some means to transfer current?

I don't know that anything is a perfect insulator (anymore than any gas is an ideal gas).  Regardless, pure water is a very, very poor electrical conductor.  Unfortunately, for this application, pure water is also a great solvent, meaning that it easily takes up ions and becomes conductive.

What we are talking about is called specific conductivity (or the inverse, specific resistance).  Pure water is at one end of the table and metals, such as copper, are at the other end.  Common insulators, such as rubber and glass are in the middle of the table.

Also, be careful with the term "transfer current".  I know what you mean, but it is a misleading statement.  Current, by definition, is the flow of charge.  Adding the word "transfer" makes it sound as if you are talking about the flow of the flow of charge which is not what you meant.  "Conduct" is a much better (more precise) word, in this case.


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Re: Zero Point Energy Extraction Has Arrived [Re: Seuss]
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Seuss whats wrong you seem to be straying away from my previous points?  Could it be that maybe your the one that's wrong and I'm right oh but that could never because you falsely misinterpret everything therefore leaving nothing open for intellectual discussion.  I'm right about everything I said and slightly right about the distilled thing that has turned into another kiddy flamer contest that is very much besides the point.  Enough said I'm sure anyone that knows as much as I do about this could easily see the clear evidence of multiple anomaly's within the gas shown in that pdf.  But ya Seuss unless your gonna actually answer to my side of it then what is the point of even arguing about this. Your completely self-deluded at this point.


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Re: Zero Point Energy Extraction Has Arrived [Re: buddhahoodlum]
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Seuss whats wrong you seem to be straying away from my previous points?
You original points were debated thoroughly already.  Everybody else came to the conclusion they were all bogus.  Now your digressions and side notes are bieng debated, and also being shown to be incorrect.

But you already knew that, didnt you  :wink:

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Re: Zero Point Energy Extraction Has Arrived [Re: buddhahoodlum]
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Quote:
Your completely self-deluded at this point.


Says the guy with the quote about water-fuelled cars in his signature.


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Re: Zero Point Energy Extraction Has Arrived [Re: buddhahoodlum]
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buddhahoodlum said:
Seuss whats wrong you seem to be straying away from my previous points?  Could it be that maybe your the one that's wrong and I'm right oh but that could never because you falsely misinterpret everything therefore leaving nothing open for intellectual discussion.  I'm right about everything I said and slightly right about the distilled thing that has turned into another kiddy flamer contest that is very much besides the point.  Enough said I'm sure anyone that knows as much as I do about this could easily see the clear evidence of multiple anomaly's within the gas shown in that pdf.  But ya Seuss unless your gonna actually answer to my side of it then what is the point of even arguing about this. Your completely self-deluded at this point.


I could use a free energy machine, it would come in pretty handy....
When is it planned that a working model be made, tested, and ready for purchase....?


>^;;^<


Edit:  Washed my post out with soap....
Certain disrespect pisses me off - it's my problem, I am working on it....

Edited by PhanTomCat (06/12/08 05:12 PM)

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