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Re: Free document on Free energy [Re: Anonymous]
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In my mind I still rationalize it as possible.

Do you believe that connecting the back wheel of a bike to the pedals will make it produce power?

If not, consider that all perpetual motion machines attempt to do just that in one way or another.


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Re: Free document on Free energy [Re: trendal]
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But wouldn't it have the strongest resistance to the pole closest to it?





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Re: Free document on Free energy [Re: Anonymous]
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Yes, It would, but as the next pole started to get closer, it would begin to feel the strongest resistance before it actually reaches the external magnet.

The wheel would wobble back and forth a few times before settling in a state of equilibrium - which is to have all the north poles on the wheel as far from the external magnet as they can get.

So in the picture you posted above, the wheel would settle with the magnets on the bottom half and the weights on the top half.


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Re: Free document on Free energy [Re: trendal]
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What if it was all magnets and no weights though? It would just lock up?
I'd still think the force of resistance would be the greatest force, and since the one on top is always closest to the magnet it'd still push it past and keep going.??????

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Re: Free document on Free energy [Re: Anonymous]
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Same deal, if they were all magnets: the wheel would stop with the outside magnet in-between two of the fixed magnets.

Think of it this way: yeah the one on top has the most force against it...but what happens when that one and the next magnet are equally as far away from the outside magnet? Then both magnets feel the same amount of force and try to turn the wheel in both directions at once - so the wheel just stops and sits there.


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Re: Free document on Free energy [Re: trendal]
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I thought that's what the point of angling them was though.


I'm sorry if I'm being frustrating to talk to, I'm an abstract thinker though and envision everything playing out in my head, so it's hard for the words to overpower the self-created logic of my mental image.


I get what you're saying, but if it were angled correctly, couldn't it be arranged so the north pole of the magnets on the wheel are always closer to the N-pole on the outside magnet than the south poles on the wheel are?

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Re: Free document on Free energy [Re: Anonymous]
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No there's no way you could arrange them like that, because as soon as the wheel had made almost one full turn you would end up with the most-straight magnet approaching the external magnet. As it approaches it gets pushed back harder and harder, slowing the wheel down.

Think of it this way: if you have a static system - where none of the magnets actually change their position on the wheel and the external magnet never changes position...then how can you get rotation? You wouldn't. The system would remain static, and would quickly find a point of equilibrium for the wheel to sit at.

That's why the patent for this device calls for a pulsed electromagnet - a pulsating magnetic field isn't static, so it can support continued movement.


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Re: Free document on Free energy [Re: Anonymous]
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I thought that's what the point of angling them was though.

You're thinking that magnetic forces act like a water hose. They don't. Changing the angle of the magnet doesn't change what Trendal is saying. The net pull/push is still toward/away from the magnet, not along its length.


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4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

Edited by Diploid (01/18/06 10:40 PM)

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Re: Free document on Free energy [Re: Anonymous]
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The Museum of Unworkable Devices


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Re: Free document on Free energy [Re: Anno]
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Discussion of The Classic Magnetic Motor


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Re: Free document on Free energy [Re: Diploid]
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Diploid said:
You're thinking that magnetic forces act like a water hose. They don't.

hahaha. When I really thought about this everything made sense. I know it doesn't flow like a water hose, but that was the best analogy I could have thought up, good work on that one. When I really thought about the magnetic field of each magnet my original assumption now just seems dumb as fuck. Wow.

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Re: Free document on Free energy [Re: Anonymous]
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If you could direct the magnetic forces or block them then in theory the wheel would continue to spin.

I have actually built the basic wheel and soon realised that as the next magnet comes on, it is repelled by the same force that (we) would hope to propell it with!

Apparently, there is no way of blocking or affectively re-directing the magnets though.

If you discover a way then it may work, although obviously not according to current science.

I suggest that you try though! Many scientific rules are considered incomplete and if people don't test the rules then nothing new can be discovered!

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