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Starship Troopers 3?! LEAVE HEINLEIN ALONE!
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Seriously, quit butchering the best novel ever made with a goofy action franchise


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[quote]Voido said:
[quote]drken said:
Dont get me wrong he is a funny guy, just not a great actor. Smoke some bud and watch the movie, weed helps me pick out shitty acting. [/quote]

no your just stoned. stop smoking pot [/quote]

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Re: Starship Troopers 3?! LEAVE HEINLEIN ALONE! [Re: AScannerDarkly]
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I was wishing for this :cool:

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Re: Starship Troopers 3?! LEAVE HEINLEIN ALONE! [Re: AScannerDarkly]
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Seriously, quit butchering the best novel ever made with a goofy action franchise


ehhh.. I thought it was highly overrated. Ill take Clarke or Asimov over Heinlein any day.

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Re: Starship Troopers 3?! LEAVE HEINLEIN ALONE! [Re: DieCommie]
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DieCommie said:
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Seriously, quit butchering the best novel ever made with a goofy action franchise


ehhh.. I thought it was highly overrated. Ill take Clarke or Asimov over Heinlein any day.


After seeing I,Robot, you certainly have to sympathize with ALL sci-fi novelists


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[quote]Voido said:
[quote]drken said:
Dont get me wrong he is a funny guy, just not a great actor. Smoke some bud and watch the movie, weed helps me pick out shitty acting. [/quote]

no your just stoned. stop smoking pot [/quote]

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Re: Starship Troopers 3?! LEAVE HEINLEIN ALONE! [Re: DieCommie]
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DieCommie said:
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Seriously, quit butchering the best novel ever made with a goofy action franchise


ehhh.. I thought it was highly overrated. Ill take Clarke or Asimov over Heinlein any day.


I would agree in general, however Heinlein has some amazing novels. I really enjoyed starship troopers, he brings a political element that clarke or asimov couldnt begin to touch

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Re: Starship Troopers 3?! LEAVE HEINLEIN ALONE! [Re: TheCow]
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Political element?  Herbert is king.

And I like the movie "I Robot"  :epileptic:

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Re: Starship Troopers 3?! LEAVE HEINLEIN ALONE! [Re: DieCommie]
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DieCommie said:
Political element?  Herbert is king.

And I like the movie "I Robot"  :epileptic:


It's an interesting take on the original stories and the overall theme of robots protecting humans from humanity matches one of them, but I don't remember the name of it, but it really could have done without Will Smith's  typical independence day comedy routine. It should have had a much darker, much more serious tone.


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[quote]Voido said:
[quote]drken said:
Dont get me wrong he is a funny guy, just not a great actor. Smoke some bud and watch the movie, weed helps me pick out shitty acting. [/quote]

no your just stoned. stop smoking pot [/quote]

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Re: Starship Troopers 3?! LEAVE HEINLEIN ALONE! [Re: AScannerDarkly]
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Yea, I can see that criticism. I dont think will smiths comedy was all that bad in it though, and I think Independence Day was a great movie. One part I remember about I Robot is when sonny says hes had dreams. Then the human says you dont have dreams, your a machine. You cant paint a masterpiece or write a symphony. And the robot innocently asks, can you? This is quintessential good sci-fi. The interplay between humanity and technology... we create and invent technology and in return technology defines us as a species. To observe the emergence of sentience in a machine is to observe the birth of raw consciousness. In I Robot we witness this in sonny, as programed by his creator. And also in the mainframe, which has independently exceeded its own code.

This relationship between the essence of humanity and science/technology is what I think was lacking in Starship Troopers. Yea, there is space and aliens so technically its a sci-fi, but it does not re-examine or push the limits of how humanity defines itself. It was a military novel set in the future. As far as military novels go, it may have been good. But I think it was deficient in the nature of sci-fi. It has been a while since I read it though...thats just my memory.


Interesting note about bad sci-fi movies... The first Planet of the Apes was superb, and made alot of money. Every sequel after that got progressively worse and worse, however they made progressively more and more money. So, technically, they continued to be more and more successful. Movies are a media where profit is the first goal, and artistic expression is a secondary one. Not that there is anything inherently wrong with that, thats just the way it is.

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