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Masturbation- Yay or Nay?
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Western Science tells us that masturbation is healthy and natural...

But some yogi's, taoists, priests (christian and otherwise) suggest that masturbation dissipates valuable spiritual energy, and thus abstinence is advisable.

Regardless of all that, what is your oppinion/experience? Is it better to masturbate or not, from a conciousness/spiritual or health perspective?

Remember im not asking if you do or do not masturbate, but if you think abstinence or indulgence is more beneficial.
Yay or Nay?
You may choose only one


Votes accepted from 04/04/08 06:03 PM until the end of time
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Re: Masturbation- Yay or Nay? [Re: Moonshoe]
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Whether or not masturbation is bad, if you can give it up for your spirituality it really proves how dedicated you are.


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Re: Masturbation- Yay or Nay? [Re: Moonshoe] * 1
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IMO, masturbation is not intrinsically beneficial nor harmful.  Humans are animals, and it is natural for us to seek sexual expression and pleasure.  However, it is possible to engage in masturbation in an unhealthy manner.  One's attitude towards self-pleasuring is what may be harmful, though, and not the activity itself.

Tantric masturbation is quite amazing, and has altered my already-positive view on sexuality for the better.  :thumbup:

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Re: Masturbation- Yay or Nay? [Re: Veritas]
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Masturbation with coarse-grit sandpaper is quite unhealthy. (I should be healed up in another week or so...)


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Re: Masturbation- Yay or Nay? [Re: OrgoneConclusion] * 1
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I find masturbation an immensely valuable tool for staying sane, to the extent that I feel sorry for people who artificially deprive themselves of that tool in fear of invisible parental figures.


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Re: Masturbation- Yay or Nay? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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Artificial is attacking your penis aggressively (abuse) while imagining fucking a girl in your mind and having your way with her. It is a way of glorifying the alpha male ego in us without having to put any effort or good will towards the world, and it is a waste of the mind.

It is actually an act of separation from one self and not unity. I've stopped masturbating because I realized it was an attack on myself, and the pleasure I got out of it was lame, not to mention dishonest.

Masturbation is natural, in the sense that the industrial age was natural - nature finds itself in (man) a mechanized and dehumanized state of being. To be true to nature in it's present evolving being, we obey the new rule that says nihility must give way to transpersonalism.


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Edited by EternalCowabunga (04/04/08 06:35 PM)

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Re: Masturbation- Yay or Nay? [Re: EternalCowabunga]
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EternalCowabunga said:I've stopped masturbating because I realized it was an attack on myself, and the pleasure I got out of it was lame.



I've heard this from a few other people before. They were all cranky and over-aggressive, all the time. Masturbation is a powerful balancing tool used by the body; if you really lose interest in yanking it, it's usually because you're too busy, which is always a thing to strive for. But knowingly and actively withholding instant sexual gratification from yourself creates conflict by itself, IME.

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Masturbation is natural, in the sense that the industrial age was natural - nature finds itself in (man) a mechanized and dehumanized state of being. To be true to nature in it's present evolving being, we obey the new rule that says nihility must give way to transpersonalism.



Haven't you ever gotten the sense that the universe is just masturbating?

Edited by Tchan909 (04/04/08 06:46 PM)

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Re: Masturbation- Yay or Nay? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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There is no need for it to be a conflict. Why divide oneself against oneself?

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But the act of knowingly and actively withholding instant sexual gratification from yourself creates conflict by itself, IME.




It creates self discipline for me, that I am grateful for. I hold nothing against your preference to pursue your desires, but your experience does not stand for all experience.

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Masturbation is a powerful balancing tool used by the body



What do you mean, "used by the body"? Are you and the body separate?


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Edited by EternalCowabunga (04/04/08 06:49 PM)

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Re: Masturbation- Yay or Nay? [Re: Moonshoe]
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I don't think there's anything wrong with masturbation, but I did read somewhere that a certain chemical is excreted in your semen that depletes your brain of reasoning power in some way. That was from some sort of religious text, though, so I didn't place much importance on it at the time.

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Re: Masturbation- Yay or Nay? [Re: EternalCowabunga]
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EternalCowabunga said:
What do you mean, "used by the body"? Are you and the body separate?



Did I say we were?

:sun:

EternalCowabunga said:
It creates self discipline for me, that I am grateful for. I hold nothing against your preference to pursue your desires, but your experience does not stand for all experience.



That is why I said IME. :smile: I would never impose on anyone else's views.


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Edited by Tchan909 (04/04/08 06:52 PM)

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Re: Masturbation- Yay or Nay? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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Tchan909 said:
EternalCowabunga said:
What do you mean, "used by the body"? Are you and the body separate?



Did I say we were?

:sun:



Yes.

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Masturbation is a powerful balancing tool used by the body



:sun:


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Re: Masturbation- Yay or Nay? [Re: EternalCowabunga]
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I did not vote 'Yay' or 'Nay' because IMO there is no right answer on this.  I think tantric masturbation if done with understanding could be very powerful; I have also heard that masturbating once every 8 or 9 days is optimal.  I've gone upwards of a month without it, and the most important thing I think is to be mindful and aware of the energies in that part of your body, and tend the carefully.  Completely denying or suppressing those energies can lead to frustration and suffering.  I definitely find hatha yoga to be more powerful the longer I have gone without rubbing one out. :yesnod:


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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”

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Re: Masturbation- Yay or Nay? [Re: Lion]
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Pretty well summed up right there IMO. I guess it's more a lifestyle choice than anything else.


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Re: Masturbation- Yay or Nay? [Re: Lion]
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I agree with going about 10 days before a release - at that point the energy can start to interfere with one's concentration. I suppose I should have said that habitual masturbation is abusive.


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Edited by EternalCowabunga (04/04/08 07:01 PM)

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Re: Masturbation- Yay or Nay? [Re: EternalCowabunga]
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:blush:
Caught me red handed.


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Re: Masturbation- Yay or Nay? [Re: backfromthedead]
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Option C: Too busy fapping.


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Re: Masturbation- Yay or Nay? [Re: Moonshoe]
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Nay. I consider semen to be a valuable bodily fluid and I try to conserve it as much as possible. Anyone interested in the pineal gland (third eye, DMT secretion) should at least research the subject of continence. Semen, as well as the pineal and pituitary glands have the highest concentrations of lecithin in the human body (source) so to me it seems that in order to maintain gland health, semen should not be wasted.


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Edited by WScott (04/04/08 08:11 PM)

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Re: Masturbation- Yay or Nay? [Re: Moonshoe]
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yay when it feels completely right

people who giggle all the time don't belly laugh as often

the yogis are going for the belly-laugh

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Re: Masturbation- Yay or Nay? [Re: Epigallo]
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bradley said:
yay when it feels completely right

people who giggle all the time don't belly laugh as often

the yogis are going for the belly-laugh



:smile:

This Reminds me of Aldeous Huxely's "Island". Its amazing how much humor can teach.


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  The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun
  The frumious Bandersnatch!

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Re: Masturbation- Yay or Nay? [Re: WScott]
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WScottsdale said:
Nay. I consider semen to be a valuable bodily fluid



When you said this I instantly thought of Dr. Strangelove. "I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist indoctrination, Communist subversion and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids."


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