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Re: as oil hits $105/barrel..... [Re: vonhumboldt]
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Don't worry. He won't.


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Re: as oil hits $105/barrel..... [Re: zappaisgod]
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I don't have the textbook anymore; it was from a sci & tech in the 20th century class. I sold it.

But the fact remains, nothing makes for better production of weapons material than fission reactors.

Even America's first nuclear plants were for the purposes of building weapons. So many more plants were built that there was no need for power for, so one can deduce that they were not for power.


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Re: as oil hits $105/barrel..... [Re: Minstrel]
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Minstrel said:
I don't have the textbook anymore; it was from a sci & tech in the 20th century class. I sold it. But the fact remains...






thats funny


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America's debt problem is a "sign of leadership failure"

We have "reckless fiscal policies"

America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

Americans deserve better

Barack Obama

Edited by lonestar2004 (03/06/08 06:33 PM)

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Re: as oil hits $105/barrel..... [Re: Minstrel]
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Even America's first nuclear plants were for the purposes of building weapons. So many more plants were built that there was no need for power for, so one can deduce that they were not for power.



every single 1 of our plants were for power
the billion $$$$$ Manhattan Project was for nuclear wepons u foool


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Re: as oil hits $105/barrel..... [Re: Minstrel]
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Minstrel said:
I don't have the textbook anymore; it was from a sci & tech in the 20th century class. I sold it.

But the fact remains, nothing makes for better production of weapons material than fission reactors.

Even America's first nuclear plants were for the purposes of building weapons. So many more plants were built that there was no need for power for, so one can deduce that they were not for power.



What does this have to do with France? If what you speak is true, surely you can find it elsewhere. I doubt your textbook is privy to esoteric and classified information. Perhaps google a little bit and come back to the table, ok?

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Re: as oil hits $105/barrel..... [Re: vonhumboldt]
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The book was very opinionated throughout the whole thing (ironically very pro American). It might have actually been from a lecture not covered in the book, just from the one of the prof's tangents, and I was pretty baked that lecure.

If it'll make you feel any better, the prof would be what some one like Zzzap would call a 'bleeding heart liberal'.


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Re: as oil hits $105/barrel..... [Re: Minstrel]
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That does not work, either. Face it - you dont know what you're talking about.

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Re: as oil hits $105/barrel..... [Re: vonhumboldt]
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That's pretty funny.


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After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action.  If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it.  - Ernest Hemingway

If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus

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Re: as oil hits $105/barrel..... [Re: Scratcher]
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well, after watching the whole video, i've come to one conclusion: i need to ride my bike more.

it's as simple as that. as more individuals become aware and resist the lure and entrapment of oil, we will rid ourselves of our dependence. of course the solution is not as simple as that, it is a very complex issue, but reducing my use of oil will not only save ME money, but help the environment and end their power over me (one person at a time, right?)

btw, i filled up on diesel yesterday at 3.89/gallon. OUTRAGEOUS!


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Madtowntripper said:Or just give her a cloroform soaked rag and tell her it's ether!

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Re: as oil hits $105/barrel..... [Re: MistaUNGA]
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I paid almost a dollar less yesterday.

California is a fucking cesspool.


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After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action.  If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it.  - Ernest Hemingway

If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus

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Re: as oil hits $105/barrel..... [Re: Madtowntripper]
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I filled up my truck the other day...it was seriously over 60$.

even my wife's little manual 4-banger is costing nearly 50$ to fill up.


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All I know is The Growery is a place where losers who get banned here go.

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Re: as oil hits $105/barrel..... [Re: afoaf]
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$35 to fill up the Volkswagen @ 30/mpg


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After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action.  If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it.  - Ernest Hemingway

If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus

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Re: as oil hits $105/barrel..... [Re: MistaUNGA]
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MistaUNGA said:
well, after watching the whole video, i've come to one conclusion: i need to ride my bike more.




I sold my car a few years back. I ride a bicycle everyday or take the subway if necessary. I am in excellent shape and im not giving my earned money to Shell or Exxon.

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Re: as oil hits $105/barrel..... [Re: Madtowntripper]
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Most days, I don't even drive. I walk to the subway to get to work. The subway runs mostly off of coal and nuclear power generated electricity.

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Re: as oil hits $105/barrel..... [Re: Luddite]
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THE WALL STREET JOURNAL: OPINION: The World Has Plenty of Oil

Posted by Royal Dutch Shell Plc.com at March 4th, 2008
Chad Crowe
By NANSEN G. SALERI
March 4, 2008; Page A17

Many energy analysts view the ongoing waltz of crude prices with the mystical $100 mark — notwithstanding the dollar’s anemia — as another sign of the beginning of the end for the oil era. “[A]t the furthest out, it will be a crisis in 2008 to 2012,” declares Matthew Simmons, the most vocal voice among the “neo-peak-oil” club. Tempering this pessimism only slightly is the viewpoint gaining ground among many industry leaders, who argue that daily production by 2030 of 100 million barrels will be difficult.

In fact, we are nowhere close to reaching a peak in global oil supplies.

Given a set of assumptions, forecasting the peak-oil-point — defined as the onset of global production decline — is a relatively trivial problem. Four primary factors will pinpoint its exact timing. The trivial becomes far more complex because the four factors — resources in place (how many barrels initially underground), recovery efficiency (what percentage is ultimately recoverable), rate of consumption, and state of depletion at peak (how empty is the global tank when decline kicks in) — are inherently uncertain.

- What are the global resources in place? Estimates vary. But approximately six to eight trillion barrels each for conventional and unconventional oil resources (shale oil, tar sands, extra heavy oil) represent probable figures — inclusive of future discoveries. As a matter of context, the globe has consumed only one out of a grand total of 12 to 16 trillion barrels underground.

- What percentage of global resources is ultimately recoverable? The industry recovers an average of only one out of three barrels of conventional resources underground and considerably less for the unconventional.

This benchmark, established over the past century, is poised to change upward. Modern science and unfolding technologies will, in all likelihood, double recovery efficiencies. Even a 10% gain in extraction efficiency on a global scale will unlock 1.2 to 1.6 trillion barrels of extra resources — an additional 50-year supply at current consumption rates.

The impact of modern oil extraction techniques is already evident across the globe. Abqaiq and Ghawar, two of the flagship oil fields of Saudi Arabia, are well on their way to recover at least two out of three barrels underground — in the process raising recovery expectations for the remainder of the Kingdom’s oil assets, which account for one quarter of world reserves.

Are the lessons and successes of Ghawar transferable to the countless struggling fields around the world — most conspicuously in Venezuela, Mexico, Iran or the former Soviet Union — where irreversible declines in production are mistakenly accepted as the norm and in fact fuel the “neo-peak-oil” alarmism? The answer is a definitive yes.

Hundred-dollar oil will provide a clear incentive for reinvigorating fields and unlocking extra barrels through the use of new technologies. The consequences for emerging oil-rich regions such as Iraq can be far more rewarding. By 2040 the country’s production and reserves might potentially rival those of Saudi Arabia.

Paradoxically, high crude prices may temporarily mask the inefficiencies of others, which may still remain profitable despite continuing to use 1960-vintage production methods. But modernism will inevitably prevail: The national oil companies that hold over 90% of the earth’s conventional oil endowment will be pressed to adopt new and better technologies.

- What will be the average rate of crude consumption between now and peak oil? Current daily global consumption stands around 86 million barrels, with projected annual increases ranging from 0% to 2% depending on various economic outlooks. Thus average consumption levels ranging from 90 to 110 million barrels represent a reasonable bracket. Any economic slowdown — as intimated by the recent tremors in the global equity markets — will favor the lower end of this spectrum.

This is not to suggest that global supply capacity will grow steadily unimpeded by bottlenecks — manpower, access, resource nationalism, legacy issues, logistical constraints, etc. — within the energy equation. However, near-term obstacles do not determine the global supply ceiling at 2030 or 2050. Market forces, given the benefit of time and the burgeoning mobility of technology and innovation across borders, will tame transitional obstacles.

- When will peak oil arrive? This widely accepted tipping point — 50% of ultimately recoverable resources consumed — is largely a tribute to King Hubbert, a distinguished Shell geologist who predicted the peak oil point for the U.S. lower 48 states. While his timing was very good (he forecast 1968 versus 1970 in fact), he underestimated peak daily production (9.5 million barrels actual versus eight million estimated).

But modern extraction methods will undoubtedly stretch Hubbert’s “50% assumption,” which was based on Sputnik-era technologies. Even a modest shift — to 55% of recoverable resources consumed — will delay the onset by 20-25 years.

Where do reasonable assumptions surrounding peak oil lead us? My view, subjective and imprecise, points to a period between 2045 and 2067 as the most likely outcome.

Cambridge Energy Associates forecasts the global daily liquids production to rise to 115 million barrels by 2017 versus 86 million at present. Instead of a sharp peak per Hubbert’s model, an undulating, multi-decade long plateau production era sets in — i.e., no sudden-death ending.

The world is not running out of oil anytime soon. A gradual transitioning on the global scale away from a fossil-based energy system may in fact happen during the 21st century. The root causes, however, will most likely have less to do with lack of supplies and far more with superior alternatives. The overused observation that “the Stone Age did not end due to a lack of stones” may in fact find its match.

The solutions to global energy needs require an intelligent integration of environmental, geopolitical and technical perspectives each with its own subsets of complexity. On one of these — the oil supply component — the news is positive. Sufficient liquid crude supplies do exist to sustain production rates at or near 100 million barrels per day almost to the end of this century.

Technology matters. The benefits of scientific advancement observable in the production of better mobile phones, TVs and life-extending pharmaceuticals will not, somehow, bypass the extraction of usable oil resources. To argue otherwise distracts from a focused debate on what the correct energy-policy priorities should be, both for the United States and the world community at large.

Mr. Saleri, president and CEO of Quantum Reservoir Impact in Houston, was formerly head of reservoir management for Saudi Aramco.

Copyright © 2008 Dow Jones & Company, Inc. All Rights Reserved

http://royaldutchshellplc.com/2008/03/04/the-wall-street-journal-opinion-the-world-has-plenty-of-oil/

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Re: as oil hits $105/barrel..... [Re: Luddite]
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Oil Prices: A Correction is in the Cards
Predictions of soaring oil and gasoline prices fly in the face of the fundamentals -- oil stocks are flush and fuel demand is ebbing.
By Jim Ostroff, Associate Editor, The Kiplinger Letter

March 3, 2008

This large run-up in oil prices will be difficult to sustain. Though the weak U.S. dollar is encouraging traders to buy oil and other commodities as a hedge, ample oil supplies and weak economic growth presage a price correction in coming weeks.

"Oil prices have been gyrating violently … but [economic fundamentals] make it likely oil is set to fall below $85 and keep going to the $70s by June," says John Kilduff, a senior vice president with MFGlobal, a commodities trading firm. There are plenty of other, more dire, forecasts on oil, including some calling for oil to climb to $200 a barrel. But Kilduff believes lessening energy demand will dictate otherwise.

As for gasoline at the pump, we expect the national average price to decrease by about 10% by June from the same date a year ago.

Note that there’s currently a surplus of oil worldwide: It’ll reach 1.5 million barrels a day this spring, a significant jump over last spring’s 500,000 barrels a day. The surplus will cushion the market against supply disruption risks that have fed oil price escalation since 2004 by emboldening traders who bid up prices knowing prices wouldn’t slide for long.

The Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) will have a role in moderating oil prices. When ministers of the OPEC meet this week in Vienna, Austria, they’ll brush off calls to slash oil export quotas made by the usual suspects, Iran and Venezuela.

Why? The cartel’s oil ministers know that the sluggish economies in the U.S., Canada and other nations will slice motor fuel demand. They fret that $100-plus oil prices in perpetuity will give even greater vigor to the development of ethanol- and electric-powered cars and trucks, which would permanently reduce demand for oil.

In fact, the current economic slowdown in the U.S. already has knocked down demand for gasoline by more than 1% from a year ago -- the U.S. consumes around a quarter of the world’s oil. The U.S. is burning about 6% less distillates -- mainly diesel fuel, says Timothy Evans, an energy analyst at Citigroup Global Markets.

Fuel usage will fall further as consumers tighten the reins on spending, take fewer car trips, step up use of public transportation and vacation closer to home this year in response to tough economic times. OPEC knows that cutting oil exports to keep prices north of $100 a barrel "means consumer demand for gasoline won’t just be dead in the water by summer, but so too will oil usage," says Evans.

Barring a major disruption, of course, we expect gasoline prices to average around $2.85 per gallon this year, up a nickel or so from last year. For diesel fuel, expect to pay an average of $2.95 per gallon, up a dime.

For weekly updates on topics to improve your business decisionmaking, click here.

http://www.kiplinger.com/businessresource/forecast/archive/Oil_Prices_Correction_in_Cards_080303.html

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Re: as oil hits $105/barrel..... [Re: Luddite]
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The oil problem is a dollar problem.

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Re: as oil hits $105/barrel..... [Re: MistaUNGA]
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MistaUNGA said:
well, after watching the whole video, i've come to one conclusion: i need to ride my bike more.

it's as simple as that. as more individuals become aware and resist the lure and entrapment of oil, we will rid ourselves of our dependence. of course the solution is not as simple as that, it is a very complex issue, but reducing my use of oil will not only save ME money, but help the environment and end their power over me (one person at a time, right?)

btw, i filled up on diesel yesterday at 3.89/gallon. OUTRAGEOUS!


it's not that simple. there are many products that are made with crude oil (plastics). not only that, but all goods need to be shipped to the store. rising oil prices are a part of the reason as to why everything has gone up in price so sharply as of late.


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May our only occupation be not having a job.
May the only cocktails that we make be molitov.
-Johnny Hobo and the Freight Trains

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Re: as oil hits $105/barrel..... [Re: ledfut]
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ledfut said:
MistaUNGA said:
well, after watching the whole video, i've come to one conclusion: i need to ride my bike more.

it's as simple as that. as more individuals become aware and resist the lure and entrapment of oil, we will rid ourselves of our dependence. of course the solution is not as simple as that, it is a very complex issue, but reducing my use of oil will not only save ME money, but help the environment and end their power over me (one person at a time, right?)

btw, i filled up on diesel yesterday at 3.89/gallon. OUTRAGEOUS!


it's not that simple. there are many products that are made with crude oil (plastics). not only that, but all goods need to be shipped to the store. rising oil prices are a part of the reason as to why everything has gone up in price so sharply as of late.




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Madtowntripper said:Or just give her a cloroform soaked rag and tell her it's ether!

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Re: as oil hits $105/barrel..... [Re: MistaUNGA]
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oops, my bad. i should probably go to sleep. :blush:


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May the only cocktails that we make be molitov.
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