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Substance Will Eliminate Need for Sleep (Article!)
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In what sounds like a dream for millions of tired coffee drinkers, Darpa-funded scientists might have found a drug that will eliminate sleepiness.

A nasal spray containing a naturally occurring brain hormone called orexin A reversed the effects of sleep deprivation in monkeys, allowing them to perform like well-rested monkeys on cognitive tests. The discovery's first application will probably be in treatment of the severe sleep disorder narcolepsy.

The treatment is "a totally new route for increasing arousal, and the new study shows it to be relatively benign," said Jerome Siegel, a professor of psychiatry at UCLA and a co-author of the paper. "It reduces sleepiness without causing edginess."

Orexin A is a promising candidate to become a "sleep replacement" drug. For decades, stimulants have been used to combat sleepiness, but they can be addictive and often have side effects, including raising blood pressure or causing mood swings. The military, for example, administers amphetamines to pilots flying long distances, and has funded research into new drugs like the stimulant modafinil (.pdf) and orexin A in an effort to help troops stay awake with the fewest side effects.

The monkeys were deprived of sleep for 30 to 36 hours and then given either orexin A or a saline placebo before taking standard cognitive tests. The monkeys given orexin A in a nasal spray scored about the same as alert monkeys, while the saline-control group was severely impaired.

The study, published in the Dec. 26 edition of The Journal of Neuroscience, found orexin A not only restored monkeys' cognitive abilities but made their brains look "awake" in PET scans.

Siegel said that orexin A is unique in that it only had an impact on sleepy monkeys, not alert ones, and that it is "specific in reversing the effects of sleepiness" without other impacts on the brain.

Such a product could be widely desired by the more than 70 percent of Americans who the National Sleep Foundation estimates get less than the generally recommended eight hours of sleep per night (.pdf).

The research follows the discovery by Siegel that the absence of orexin A appears to cause narcolepsy. That finding pointed to a major role for the peptide's absence in causing sleepiness. It stood to reason that if the deficit of orexin A makes people sleepy, adding it back into the brain would reduce the effects, said Siegel.

"What we've been doing so far is increasing arousal without dealing with the underlying problem," he said. "If the underlying deficit is a loss of orexin, and it clearly is, then the best treatment would be orexin."

Dr. Michael Twery, director of the National Center on Sleep Disorders Research, said that while research into drugs for sleepiness is "very interesting," he cautioned that the long-term consequences of not sleeping were not well-known.

Both Twery and Siegel noted that it is unclear whether or not treating the brain chemistry behind sleepiness would alleviate the other problems associated with sleep deprivation.

"New research indicates that not getting enough sleep is associated with increased risk of cardiovascular disease and metabolic disorders," said Twery.

Still, Siegel said that Americans already recognize that sleepiness is a problem and have long treated it with a variety of stimulants.

"We have to realize that we are already living in a society where we are already self-medicating with caffeine," he said.

He also said that modafinil, which is marketed as Provigil by Cephalon and Alertec in Canada, has become widely used by healthy individuals for managing sleepiness.

"We have these other precedents, and it's not clear that you can't use orexin A temporarily to reduce sleep," said Siegel. "On the other hand, you'd have to be a fool to advocate taking this and reducing sleep as much as possible."

Sleep advocates probably won't have to worry about orexin A reaching drugstore shelves for many years. Any commercial treatment using the substance would need approval from the Food and Drug Administration, which can take more than a decade.




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I was just thinking about this. Can you guys imagine staying up for years on end? Completely eliminating the need, and even the desire for sleep? Can you imagine what that would do to the world? I think that to say the very least there would be a revolution of some kind. Many people would go out of business for various reasons, places would be open 24/7... it just is almost unfathomable to consider what would happen.

What do you guys think?


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Re: Substance Will Eliminate Need for Sleep (Article!) [Re: the free thinker]
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I'd like to get my hands on a some modafinil or orexin A. Yay for rcs


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Re: Substance Will Eliminate Need for Sleep (Article!) [Re: the free thinker]
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I like to sleep.

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Re: Substance Will Eliminate Need for Sleep (Article!) [Re: vonhumboldt]
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same here sleep rocks

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Re: Substance Will Eliminate Need for Sleep (Article!) [Re: milkman]
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yeah sleeps fun in most cases, but itd be cool to be able to goto bed real late and wake up early without too much of a hassle.


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Re: Substance Will Eliminate Need for Sleep (Article!) [Re: Pukgandi]
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A life without dreams is not one I care to live.


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Re: Substance Will Eliminate Need for Sleep (Article!) [Re: g00ru]
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u can dream while awake
its called mescaline
its the only way to fly...


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Re: Substance Will Eliminate Need for Sleep (Article!) [Re: Pukgandi]
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pretty interesting article... i wonder what would happen with dreams, would you start dreaming awake or something?

i think sleep is mandatory for our bodies to rest, sleep deprivation is fucked up.


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Re: Substance Will Eliminate Need for Sleep (Article!) [Re: Coaster]
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Coaster said:
u can dream while awake
its called mescaline
its the only way to fly...



:thumbup:

i need to get some san pedro


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Re: Substance Will Eliminate Need for Sleep (Article!) [Re: Coaster]
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holy shit... you could party... FOREVER MUAHAHAHH!!


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Re: Substance Will Eliminate Need for Sleep (Article!) [Re: the free thinker]
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People keep fucking with the human body.
Organisms sleep for a reason.
While this stuff may be good, in a pinch, I'm sure it would be horrible to use all the time.
The subconscious needs to come out sometime, and thats during sleep.
I bet if people started using this crap all the time, peoples psychological problems would go through the roof, and their emotional well being through the floor.


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Re: Substance Will Eliminate Need for Sleep (Article!) [Re: the free thinker]
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sounds like my worst nightmare come true.... why would people try so hard to dodge sleep! regardless.... i'd use it when i'm way tired and i CAN'T sleep, i'm still gonna sleep tho.

pop some of that and have an all night acid trip :yesnod:


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Re: Substance Will Eliminate Need for Sleep (Article!) [Re: razmablues]
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razmablues said:
pop some of that and have an all night acid trip :yesnod:



normally dropping the acid is enough to have an all night acid trip :lol:


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Re: Substance Will Eliminate Need for Sleep (Article!) [Re: g00ru]
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what i meant is i usually have reservations about dropping it at night because of how hard my sleep cycle gets fucked. but now i won't have to worry!!!

:lsd:


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Re: Substance Will Eliminate Need for Sleep (Article!) [Re: razmablues]
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I like sleeping, and i love dreaming... i cant wait to go to bed tonight i wonder where my mind will take me.

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Re: Substance Will Eliminate Need for Sleep (Article!) [Re: Sage.Phish]
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Sleep FTW


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Re: Substance Will Eliminate Need for Sleep (Article!) [Re: niteowl]
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I would never use this product.

Sleep is my second favorite thing to do.


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Re: Substance Will Eliminate Need for Sleep (Article!) [Re: the free thinker]
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i would never trade my sleep for this, ever. as said, life slumbers for a reason.


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Re: Substance Will Eliminate Need for Sleep (Article!) [Re: Sage.Phish]
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Sage.Phish said:
I like sleeping, and i love dreaming... i cant wait to go to bed tonight i wonder where my mind will take me.



Yeah I hear ya. I feel you, too. Dreaming is always good. But just in a purely hypothetical/imaginary sense... think about if this stuff swept over the globe and people stopped sleeping altogether, got on a daily regimen of this shit... it kinda tripped me out.

Like I said before, the ripple effect of it all... the world would be a totally different place.

I was just trying to imagine it, and it's pretty hard.


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Re: Substance Will Eliminate Need for Sleep (Article!) [Re: the free thinker]
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I don't think the human body can go very long w/out some sleep.

This drug is a temporary fix. Not a long term thing.


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