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Epithelantha micromeris - Hikuli Mulato
    #7972919 - 02/03/08 12:56 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

A Lost Peyote...


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E. micromeris is credited with great intellectual and moral qualities. This "medicine" is said to give speed to runners, prolong life, and make the eyes large and clear to be able to see sorcerers. Both it, and its fruit, are ingested as a stimulant and protector by traditional Tarahumara foot-runners, but are considered less effective than L. williamsii or A. fissuratus. Its fruits are laid before the altar in ceremonies, and it had continued to play a minor part in Tarahumara festivals well into the 20th century. Similar to terms surrounding A. fissuratus, any words describing the effects of E. micromeris must be viewed as only abbreviated renderings of traditional reports, and should not be interpreted according to a western understanding.



E. micromeris is valued by the Tarahumara as "híkuli mulato," the "dark skinned peyote." Just why it is considered "dark skinned" is not fully fathomed since the plant has very small white spines almost completely hiding a green epidermis. It is likely the name has a much more symbolic rather than literal meaning.



In 1902 Lumholtz stated that "híkuli rosapara" was "a more advanced vegetative stage" of E. micromeris, but he also stated that híkuli mulato and híkuli rosapara looked "quite different" than each other. In 1899 Rose first proposed, as gathered from earlier publications by Lumholtz, that híkuli rosapara was in fact Mamillopsis senilis due to its description by Lumholtz as being "white and spiny" and due to other reports describing the reverence the Indians held for M. senilis (see M. senilis).



E. micromeris is one of two accepted species in the genus while a number of variations exist which are often cited as species. In addition to numerous alkaloids, five triterpenes and one sterol have been reported within E. micromeris.



Its fruit are known as "chilitos."



Contains the following alkaloids



Tyramine

N-Methyltyramine

Hordenine

3-Methoxytyramine

3,4-Dimethoxyphenethylamine

N-Methyl-3,4-dimethoxyphenethylamine

Epithelanthic acid

Methylepithelanthate

Methylmachaerinate

Oleanolic acid

ß-Sitosterol

Methyl oleanate











I want to bioassy it...

Or talk to somebody who has ingested it.


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Re: Epithelantha micromeris - Hikuli Mulato [Re: FarFromHere]
    #7975686 - 02/03/08 10:22 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Hmm very interesting indeed.

I think my local cacti nursery has those!

Do you know of any other cacti that have fruit like those?

I was checking out what cacti they had and saw some cacti that looked similar to those with little pink things that looked like mutant army matches. She said they were seed pods, but they looked fruity to me.

Anyone know if any other cacti have those? I might be able to bioassay it for you!


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Re: Epithelantha micromeris - Hikuli Mulato [Re: scruffymafia]
    #7975706 - 02/03/08 10:29 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I think a lot of places grow them...

"Seed pods" = "Fruit"

Get a pic of one and I'll let you know what it is!

It would be wonderful if you could do a bioassy!

You would be an Ethnobotanical Hero!!!:rockon:


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Re: Epithelantha micromeris - Hikuli Mulato [Re: FarFromHere]
    #7976000 - 02/03/08 11:42 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Found an interesting read i found, the whole .pdf can be found on google.

... The sane Indians likewise value Epithdintha micromeris (Engelm.) Weber as a narcotic [2]. Between them are E. micromcris known as "mutato" and E. micromeris var. gregii as "rosorapa* loo [3]. Lactones have been previously isolated from E. miaometis [4].
Pelecyphora aselliformis Ehrenbcrg from the state San Luis Porosi, Mexico [5] is one of the plant which additional common name is "peyote" and 'peyotillo" (little peyote) may perhaps refer to similar physiological effects to Lophophora [2]. Previous work reported the identification of anhalidine (2-methyl-6.7-dimethoxy-8-hydroxy-l
.2,3.4 -tetrahydroisoquinoline) and hordenine (N,N-dimethylphenethylamine) [6].
Aztekium ritteri, Epithelantha micromeris and Pelecyphora aselliformis have been investigated with perspect to contained psychotomimetic alkaloids.
2, EXPERIMENTAL
2.1 Plant material
The investigations have been carried out with greenhouse grown plants. The greenhouse produced cacti agreed in their alkaloid content with the alkaloid from the
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wild species [1], Identification of the plant was nude by comparison with the description of Barkeberg [5].
2.2. Isolation of alkaloids
The fresh plants (about '200 g) were cut to the pieces and immediately homogenized in 250 nil 95% ethanol. The slurry was left overnight at 5°C. The ethanol solution was filtered and evaporated to dryness. Crude extract was dissolved in mixture of 30 ml 0.1 M HCL and 30 ml chloroform The chloroform phase was discarded (separating of pigments and fats) and the aqueous solution, after a further washing with 5 ml chloro-lorm, was filtered and basified to pH 10 with conc. ammonia. The aqueous phase was extracted twice by 10 ml chloroform,
2.3. Identification
The Identification of alkaloids was performed using GC/MS technique. This techni-que has been described earlier [7]. GC was carried out using CARLO ERBA INS HRGC 51G0 with integrator CE INS, DP 700. glass capillary column 30 m. phase DB-I 0.25 m. Mass spectra were recorded with gas chromotograph - mass spectrometer MAGNUM HNNICAN MAT VARIAN 3400, glass capillary column 30 m, phase DB5 0.25 in.
3. RESULTS AND DISCUSSION
The basic technique consists of extraction of the alkaloid fraction. The retention time and relative intensities of the selected mass fragments clearly establish the identity of alkaloids peaks. The abundance and approximate quantities of the identified alkaloids in cacti are reported in table I. All these simple phenethylamines and THIQ have been previously identified in other cacti (I) and all these alkaloids are known pharmacologically and the. arc sympathomimetics.
The presence of sympathomimetic phenethylaminc alkaloids should seem to verify the reported native uses of these cacti as a drug. However, the content of mescaline detected in P. aselliformis and Aztekium ritteri is so small (0,0001% and 0,0009<ft versus 1% in Lophophora williamsii).
The major alkaloid of E. miaomens is 5-Mclhoxytyramine which has earlier been identificated [6]|. The presence of 3,4-DinieihoxyPHA and other sympathomimetic phenethylamine alkaloids in Epithelantha micromcris confers explainable physiological activity on this cactus and. perhaps, helps to explain its folklore connections with Lophophora.



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Re: Epithelantha micromeris - Hikuli Mulato [Re: scruffymafia]
    #7976096 - 02/04/08 12:05 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Very intersting...

I think a bioassy is the only way to really prove it tho.

I think Epithelantha is safe.


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Re: Epithelantha micromeris - Hikuli Mulato [Re: FarFromHere]
    #7987258 - 02/06/08 03:21 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

These are so tiny that one could not get enough of them. They rot under all but the best growing conditions. They are very cute. Best if someone just digs hanging out with them without needing to screw.


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Re: Epithelantha micromeris - Hikuli Mulato [Re: eve69]
    #7989490 - 02/06/08 10:09 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I might buy some soon, i think they are the same cacti.

Have you ever seen cacti with similar fruit?


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Re: Epithelantha micromeris - Hikuli Mulato [Re: scruffymafia]
    #7992133 - 02/07/08 03:08 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I think lots of cacti have fruit like that...

But if it looks like the above pics...it's probably Epithelantha.


So...

If I donated plant material, would anybody eat one?


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Re: Epithelantha micromeris - Hikuli Mulato [Re: FarFromHere]
    #7993973 - 02/07/08 09:13 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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FarFromHere said:If I donated plant material, would anybody eat one?




Lol **meow dispenser** bro...


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Re: Epithelantha micromeris - Hikuli Mulato [Re: scruffymafia]
    #7994109 - 02/07/08 09:53 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I would like to see if it is active or not.


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Re: Epithelantha micromeris - Hikuli Mulato [Re: FarFromHere]
    #7994140 - 02/07/08 10:02 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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FarFromHere said:
I would like to see if it is active or not.




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Lol have you heard it has bad side FX?


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Re: Epithelantha micromeris - Hikuli Mulato [Re: scruffymafia]
    #7994146 - 02/07/08 10:03 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

No, it's one of the more promising species.

It probably would not do anything...

I would not offer it up if I did not think it was safe.


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Re: Epithelantha micromeris - Hikuli Mulato [Re: FarFromHere]
    #20291225 - 07/18/14 12:52 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

Bump

So has anyone tried the extraction or taken the extract?

I'm interested in trying it but I can't find an extraction anywhere


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Re: Epithelantha micromeris - Hikuli Mulato [Re: Shining Cosmos]
    #22361795 - 10/11/15 05:28 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Really interesting cactus, if you google some of the alkaloids you will see that there's like only 6 results for some of the alkaloids...


shits insane.... has anyone ate this cactus's fruit?


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Re: Epithelantha micromeris - Hikuli Mulato [Re: pineapple3]
    #22361804 - 10/11/15 05:34 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I have a couple of E. micromeris - rather slow from seed - but very pretty cacti.  They are self fertile so seed is easy to get.


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Re: Epithelantha micromeris - Hikuli Mulato [Re: Spanishfly]
    #22367980 - 10/12/15 12:20 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

how much are they?


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Re: Epithelantha micromeris - Hikuli Mulato [Re: pineapple3]
    #22376818 - 10/14/15 02:07 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

where buy that lovely fruit?


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