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Bush - Proposed War Crimes - Maybe Prosecuted - In Vermont
    #7809998 - 12/29/07 09:05 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
MONTPELIER, Vt. (AP) — President Bush may soon have a new reason to avoid left-leaning Vermont: in one town, activists want him subject to arrest for war crimes.

A group in Brattleboro is petitioning to put on the agenda of a town meeting in March a measure that would make Mr. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney subject to arrest and indictment if they ever visit the community. As president, Mr. Bush has been to every state except Vermont.

The town meeting, an annual exercise in which residents gather to vote on things like fire department budgets and municipal policy, requires about 1,000 signatures to place a binding item on the agenda.

The measure asks, “Shall the Selectboard instruct the town attorney to draft indictments against President Bush and Vice President Cheney for crimes against our Constitution, and publish said indictment for consideration by other municipalities?”

Kurt Daims, a retired machinist leading the drive, has been circulating documents claiming that the community acquires a “universal jurisdiction” to take such steps “when governments breach their highest duties.”

“We have the full power to issue indictments, conduct trials, incarcerate offenders and do all other acts which independent jurisdictions may of right do,” the petition says.

“This petition,” Mr. Daims said, “is as radical as the Declaration of Independence, and it draws on that tradition in claiming a universal jurisdiction when governments fail to do what they’re supposed to do.”

The White House did not immediately respond to requests for comment Friday.

Support for the measure is far from unanimous, even in Vermont, where the State Senate voted this year to support impeaching the president and where antiwar rallies and “Impeach Bush” bumper stickers are common.

“I would not be supportive of it,” said Stephen Steidle, a member of the town’s Selectboard, which oversees its government. “It’s well outside of our ability. From my perspective, the Brattleboro Selectboard needs to focus on the town and the things that need to be done here.”

The state’s attorney general, William H. Sorrell, a Democrat whose office has repeatedly sued the Bush administration over environmental issues, called the move “of very dubious legality.”

“I have not seen the proposal,” Mr. Sorrell said, “and I’ve done no legal research on any of the issues. But at first blush, if this passed, they’d have really uphill sledding trying to have it be legal and enforceable.”

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Re: Bush - Proposed War Crimes - Maybe Prosecuted - In Vermont [Re: eve69]
    #7810078 - 12/29/07 09:35 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Fucking smart idea.

They should do that in key cities in California, Florida, and DC.


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Re: Bush - Proposed War Crimes - Maybe Prosecuted - In Vermont [Re: kidaihuan]
    #7810084 - 12/29/07 09:39 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Ain't gonna happen. Just look at how far Kucinich got with his proposed impeachment of Bush.

Keep yourself busy with wishful thinking and pipe dreams. We'll have a new president and a whole new set of problems soon enough.


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Re: Bush - Proposed War Crimes - Maybe Prosecuted - In Vermont [Re: WakeboardrB]
    #7810093 - 12/29/07 09:44 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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The measure asks, “Shall the Selectboard instruct the town attorney to draft indictments against President Bush and Vice President Cheney for crimes against our Constitution, and publish said indictment for consideration by other municipalities?”




It's a bit ironic, because a municipality doesn't have the constitutional authority to indict the president for crimes against the Constitution.

Not that I'm a G.W. Bush fan, but this is silly.


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Re: Bush - Proposed War Crimes - Maybe Prosecuted - In Vermont [Re: Ziggen]
    #7810137 - 12/29/07 10:04 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Ziggen said:
Not that I'm a G.W. Bush fan, but this is silly.




But it did get media coverage to point out that Bush did wrong.


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Re: Bush - Proposed War Crimes - Maybe Prosecuted - In Vermont [Re: kidaihuan]
    #7810152 - 12/29/07 10:13 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

if this type of action got nationwide support (even if nothing came of it), i would think it would help the US image in the world's eyes.

like one of those "yeah - our leader sucks, dont hate us" kinda things.


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Re: Bush - Proposed War Crimes - Maybe Prosecuted - In Vermont [Re: eve69]
    #7810215 - 12/29/07 10:54 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

It's pretty sweet that something like that can even be proposed in my mind.


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Re: Bush - Proposed War Crimes - Maybe Prosecuted - In Vermont [Re: Jadian]
    #7810401 - 12/29/07 12:10 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I'm for it. :sun:


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