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Stealth MJ grow Cabinet construction
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First let me start off by saying I know they're are other stealth grows out there, but what a good technique that wont smell either and can be put together for 300 max

I'm wondering what would work good for setting up about 4 plants hydroponically without any smell.

I was thinking of using a 400w HPS or a 150w HPS. Thermostat wiring confuses me and I suppose I would need one of those to keep the temperature in the optimal range???

What do I need to know about setting up air extractors? If I'm not mistaken I believe these are needed to obtain stealth and to optimal temperatures.


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Edited by navyseals101 (12/15/07 06:57 PM)

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Re: Stealth Mj Grow [Re: navyseals101]
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gardenscure.com

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Re: Stealth Mj Grow [Re: fallguy]
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bump, im sure somebody has experience here


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Re: Stealth Mj Grow [Re: navyseals101]
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I was thinking of creating something inside of a cabinet thats lined with mylar. And has a hydroponic system at the bottom where air is pumped under the nutrient solution.

venting the heat - seems to be my first theoretical problem
venting the smell - seems to be my second problem
having a timer on my ballast - my third problem
assembling a ballast - my fourth problem

Should I acquire the cabinet and a light and ballast before trying to figure out how to evacuate the heat?

also, what do i do about humidity removal/addition and blackspot mold? Do most of you guys burn sulfur?


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the moon in autumn,
a cool breeze in summer,
snow in winter.
If your mind isn't clouded by unnecessary things,
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Re: Stealth Mj Grow [Re: navyseals101]
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venting heat/smell - fan, air intake/outtake with carbon
timer - get a timer?
ballast - ??

lights act as humidity remover


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Re: Stealth Mj Grow [Re: SleepyF0x]
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^ DO I need a special timer to handle the high voltage (probably wrong here) or just a standard one you would find on the shelves at the local store?

I'm guessing the typical light timer will work


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Re: Stealth Mj Grow [Re: navyseals101]
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I'm doing this right now as we speak

you can get a 400watt hps of ebay for less than 180 bucks

build a carbon scrubber for you out-take like the one made by glacier creek, search "DIY carbon scrubber"

I'd go DWC if i were you, depending on how big your cab is, but for me, i'm stickin to good old dirt for my stealth grow.


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Re: Stealth Mj Grow [Re: navyseals101]
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navyseals101 said:
^ DO I need a special timer to handle the high voltage (probably wrong here) or just a standard one you would find on the shelves at the local store?


a standard mechanical timer is fine for one lamp, if u have more than one lamp u will need a timer contactor to handle the high volatage...


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Re: Stealth Mj Grow [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
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ok because i've heard of the high voltage timers or something like that being mentioned.

What can I do as far as air extractors


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the moon in autumn,
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snow in winter.
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Re: Stealth Mj Grow [Re: navyseals101]
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navyseals101 said:
ok because i've heard of the high voltage timers or something like that being mentioned.


not sure about that, if high voltage timers do exist its not something im aware of, perhaps someone else knows...
i got through a few timers before i figured out that u needed a contactor when running multiple lights... but if u are only running one light in your cab its not something u need to worry about...


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Re: Stealth Mj Grow [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
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cool, and what about air extractors? I'm going to need a carbon scrubber setup I do believe


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snow in winter.
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Re: Stealth Mj Grow [Re: navyseals101]
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yup extractor fan and a carbon filter if the smell is an issue...

check out legallyhomeless's build ya own thread.

here


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Re: Stealth Mj Grow [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
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You post this every month or so, get to er man. i put a nice cab together for under 500 in under 30days.


>>ok because i've heard of the high voltage timers or something like that being mentioned.

Its not high voltage is high wattage/amperage.

heavy duty timers are usually good for 1500+ watts. The standard cheap timers are for under 1500w.

go with the 400w hps 150s are junk.

i wouldnt fuck around with thermostats(tho theyre very easy to setup.)
once you have the system running you can fine tune the fan tho 24/7 on high is generally fine. mabey hook up a speed controller for noise control

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Re: Stealth Mj Grow [Re: Legoulash]
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how aboot high output (like 200w) cfl lights or led grow lghts, im looking at dedicating an entire room of my house to be a green room but i dont want the high electric bill, also can the carbon scrubber be used for an entire room or would i be better off with smaller cabinets?


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Re: Stealth Mj Grow [Re: Zinglons Acolyte]
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the plants need that energy to make themselves. HPS lights, in terms of cost and running I still think are the best bet. Maybe if OLED makes conventional discreet LED's they will become cheap enough to be comparable to other light sources.

HPS light waste heat isn't really. With a good circulation, that hot air can go around and keep the plants at a constant, tropical temperature, or whatever the optimum is for them.


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Re: Stealth Mj Grow [Re: Visionary Tools]
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well i have found a good site tha supplies led grow lights aboot 272 leds per board for aboot $40, the only catch is that ull have to solder the bulbs on to the board but i think itd be worth it for the stealth/powersaving/noheat factor lol

what im thinking is a combo of 1 200w cfl 2700 1 5000 every 3 or 4 sq ft and then 1 led board per 2 squ ft
this gives full spectrum plus more of the specific photosynthesis bands than the plant needs

im all about being friendly to the environment and this means minimizing power consumption from the artificial lighting, plus this is a bit cheaper than most of the good hps systems i can find

if this is a shitty plan call me on it politely, assembling the led panels wont be an issue for me as i work with computers every day and im comfortable doing electrical stuff like that (plus i could do it while ive got a good buzz going to pass the time and keep my hands busy)

heres the link to the site that sells the boards, i think im gonna buy about 12

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"And lets pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space 'cause theres bugger-all down here on earth!"  -Monty Python's "The Universe Song" from The Meaning of Life
"In the beginning, the universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely considered as a bad move."  -Douglas Adams "The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy"
"If the words 'life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness' don't include the right to experiment with your own consciousness, then the Declaration of Independence isn't worth the hemp it was written on." -Terence McKenna

Edited by royer9864 (12/17/07 04:57 PM)

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Re: Stealth Mj Grow [Re: Zinglons Acolyte]
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LED lights to grow weed = bad idea.
i've read about people thinking this new idea would be so awesome. But usually in most cases, the limiting factor of bud growth(besides experience of grower) is not enough LIGHT.

I would not jump on the LED bandwagon until these have been out for a while and proven.

If you do not want to invest the money into proper lighting systems, you may get away using CFL bulbs. I've seen hundreds of grows using CFL bulbs inside of grow boxes. Typically for 3 plants in a small grow box, a person uses around 8-10 CFL bulbs. It really depends on the lumen output of the bulbs.

If you're looking at dedicating an entire room and plan to use LED's, I only laugh because that is crazy.


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Re: Stealth MJ grow Cabinet construction [Re: navyseals101]
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navyseals101 said:
First let me start off by saying I know they're are other stealth grows out there, but what a good technique that wont smell either and can be put together for 300 max

I'm wondering what would work good for setting up about 4 plants hydroponically without any smell.

I was thinking of using a 400w HPS or a 150w HPS. Thermostat wiring confuses me and I suppose I would need one of those to keep the temperature in the optimal range???

What do I need to know about setting up air extractors? If I'm not mistaken I believe these are needed to obtain stealth and to optimal temperatures.


try fluoros with a carbon filter like the one here (dope design plus good writeup)
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7676327#7676327
wiring t8 ballasts is cake. plus add as many as you can afford your price range maybee 300-400 watts no heat easily makes up for less penetration. just try to get as close to 50 watts per square foot as possible

change to warm bulbs for flower power


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Re: Stealth MJ grow Cabinet construction [Re: sketchydelux]
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so what i understand is that id be better off growing under t8's if im gonna use a room (its just my general purpose room, where i keep my computer and my collections of random crap) what i was actually saying is that i want to devote a corner/side of the room to growing my plants (mj and salvia primarily) and i want to keep the room at a comfortable temp and keep the lights directed so they wont glare off my monitor
thats the primary reason why i want to use flourescents

the strain im looking at for my primary grow is lowlife's auto ak47 x auto kush, so height wont be a problem as its got lowryder genetics way back, so that keeps it short
plus ill only be growing for myself and my immediate smoking circle

but id like to keep the room smelling fresh and keep these lovely plants from stinking up the whole house.... could an ozone generator and an ionizer work for this?

still ive read really good things about leds and theres a lot more to grow lights than just lumens, its how bright the light is in the spectrums where photosynthesis happens, and thats why i think that leds are very efficient.
would a t8/led combination work as an energy eficient system that grows good stuff?


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"In the beginning, the universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely considered as a bad move."  -Douglas Adams "The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy"
"If the words 'life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness' don't include the right to experiment with your own consciousness, then the Declaration of Independence isn't worth the hemp it was written on." -Terence McKenna

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Re: Stealth MJ grow Cabinet construction [Re: Zinglons Acolyte]
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Why dont you wrap a corner of the room in panda poly film (black white 6 mil poly). You can attach a tarp zipper for a door.
Similar to a hydro-hut, you would have a totally isolated system from which you could attach a Carbon filtered exhaust.


You could either hang a bunch of Fluros inside of the hut or you could hang a 400w hps (i'd reccomend a 600w hps).
You can now buy reflectors which exhaust the heat through an inline duct fan or use a cool tube.
That will help keep the heat out of the hut and a nice temp inside.

If you used this method, you would not have to worry about anybody seeing it unless they went inside of this room. No glare on the monitor, just a slight buzz of a fan.

Here is a pic of the cool tube:


Here is an air cooled reflector made by Sunlight Supply.

I don't know if you can grow 4 plants correctly for $300 if you have to buy everything. You can get a sunlight supply econo ballast ready to go pretty cheap. The reflectors are what is expensive and a good reflector is essential to transmiting the light, that would otherwise be wasted, back to the plants.

Panda film is sold online usually $1/foot need 25 feet = $25
Sun System 400W HPS Sun System 10 Ballast froogle = $125
one of those reflectors will easily cost $100-150. but it will help regulate heat greatly.
carbon filter built yourself $40-50
inline fan to run carbon filter $100
ducting $10
Here you have most of an operating system for $310


Edited by derx (12/19/07 04:19 PM)

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