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OfflineGolddoor
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Pond Water in substrate?
    #773556 - 07/24/02 03:37 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

What type of water should I use in my substrate, pond water or distilled water?


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Re: Pond Water in substrate? [Re: Golddoor]
    #773642 - 07/24/02 04:16 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

distilled... pond water is full of shit that can take over a cake... sure, you sterilize, but why risk it when distilled water is clean and pure? also, that creek water may, in addition to unwanted microrganisms, be polluted as well. distilled man, go with the distilled.


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Re: Pond Water in substrate? [Re: ]
    #773840 - 07/24/02 05:38 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

i use dassani (water by coca cola)works good it has minerals added to it to


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Re: Pond Water in substrate? [Re: Golddoor]
    #773856 - 07/24/02 05:45 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Whats the deal with non carbonated mineral water? I cant find it in USA anywhere anymore. I go out to Europe and thats all they have. US sells carbonated mineral water everywhere. I let a bottle sit around and go flat but that takes for ever. Plus cant seem to get it all out. I finally just gave up and used tap water with great results.


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Re: Pond Water in substrate? [Re: Squid]
    #773888 - 07/24/02 05:53 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

When living in a non third world country, using tap water from the municipal supply (not well water) is almost always ok.


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Re: Pond Water in substrate? [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #773894 - 07/24/02 05:58 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Pond water has been proved to be quite effective when you find a good source. The question of whether the source of your pond water is exposed to pollution is one that you may not be able to answer for sure so it is a bit of a risk.


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Re: Pond Water in substrate? [Re: Golddoor]
    #774156 - 07/24/02 07:27 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

and a note about water. Do you have a backyard goldfish pond? PF mentions that the best water to use is water high in organics. stream lake river pond water. water coming out of a compost pipe.

PF says " Water quality is indeed important. I have found out that "natural" water is the water to use. It makes for better cultivation of this mushroom on this simple substrate. for growing, they seem to like the "natural" water such as: swamp, lake, stream, pond,river, ground or any water that is rich in organics.I suppose that water seeping from an organic compost pile would be about the best."

A friend used water from his filtered and well maintained gold fish pond in the back yard on half of his jars and regular bottled water on the other half to compare. both work well but i believe that it would be benificial for the mycelium to have access to still more minerals and nutrients for consumption.

natural water systems now a days are probably poluted. guess it depends where you live. If you know some one with an outdoor goldfish pond thats perfect! if not you are going to sterelize the possably polluted water at extream temperatures anyway.

This is what my friend would do. use natural water on X% of your jars if you really belive there is a good chance that its not going to work. worse comes to worst you have one or two non functional jars.

this guy used fresh water on x amount of jars with bottle water. one week later he made up new jars with pond water out of the goldfish pond [that has a filter algea goldfish etc real nice] on all the jars. the jars with pond water inocluated a week later are done colonizing. the others inolculated a week earlier are still catching up!!! dont know if it was the diffrence between strains or not. but i think its the water.


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Post deleted by Moe Howard [Re: bladerunnerss]
    #774323 - 07/24/02 08:28 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: Pond Water in substrate? [Re: Squid]
    #774444 - 07/24/02 09:19 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Just boil it for a min or too...should get the gas out in a jiff

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Re: Pond Water in substrate? [Re: dog]
    #774459 - 07/24/02 09:28 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Gimme a break. Water is water.<<<<

whatever. That dude inoculated set of jars with normal water. one week later inoculated a set of jars with pond water.
pond water set is done colonizing.
normal water set needs one more week.
thats two weeks faster for pond water. looks good too. the outstreached finger strands of mycelium are extremely defined.

the math is very simple id say.
use natural water on so many jars man. im confident if its not coming from a toxic waste treatment plant you should see good results.


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    #774474 - 07/24/02 09:42 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: Pond Water in substrate? [Re: bladerunnerss]
    #774497 - 07/24/02 09:58 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

He also said it was a different strain. This is important to note because some strains are faster colonizers. I don't think seaching for the perfect"pond" water is worth it. But try it and post your results(with the same strain) I use spring water
it still has some minerals in it.


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Re: Pond Water in substrate? [Re: dog]
    #775474 - 07/25/02 10:15 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

hey. whats up. Yes they were two diffrent strains. but all P.cencubis [spelling is bad] colonize at about the same rate, right?
I agree with you guys, dont get me wrong. I wouldnt go on a mission looking for natural water either. i myself would not go hunting for it. one its not convient. two it may be very popluted.
All im saying is that if you just so happen to have something like a well maintained crystal clear contaminant free goldfish pond in you or your frineds back yard or anything like that........ may as well use it. If you know in advance that you will be passing by a clean source of natural water and you are making up some substrate for scientific study of fungis, bring a container with you and take some. cant hurt. Ive also been to rivers that were crystal clear 10 feet down. That would probably work good too.

so back to the strains. one was PF and the other was PF strophoria. both were made using the same ingredients and ratios. the one with pond water took off. I was shocked. now how diffrent can those two strains be that all the diffrence in colonization speeds was dependent on the type of strain.

and by normal water i mean any type of bottled water. poland spring or what have you.
In conclusion i stand by natural water of sources that are known to be clean and contaminant free.


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