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Re: Edwards' health plan skips slippery slope, starts in the abyss [Re: Silversoul]
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Try the one I live in. I can go to hospital for whatever treatment and it wont cost me a cent. LOL @ you.

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Re: Edwards' health plan skips slippery slope, starts in the abyss [Re: FecalDildo]
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FecalDildo said:
America is a joke.


Yet you probably live there, you poor oppressed American. Did Cuba reject your application for citizenship?

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Re: Edwards' health plan skips slippery slope, starts in the abyss [Re: FecalDildo]
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FecalDildo said:
Try the one I live in. I can go to hospital for whatever treatment and it wont cost me a cent. LOL @ you.


I assumed you lived in the U.S.

Where do you live?

And how much to they tax your paycheck?

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Re: Edwards' health plan skips slippery slope, starts in the abyss [Re: FecalDildo]
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FecalDildo said:
Try the one I live in. I can go to hospital for whatever treatment and it wont cost me a cent. LOL @ you.


So you're telling me you don't pay taxes which go toward your medical treatment?


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Re: Edwards' health plan skips slippery slope, starts in the abyss [Re: Silversoul]
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Everyone pays taxes, some people (me) just get a lot more in return than others (you).

LOL.

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Re: Edwards' health plan skips slippery slope, starts in the abyss [Re: FecalDildo]
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Can't argue with that.. the socialized system sure works if you're a bum

Are you in Europe?

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Re: Edwards' health plan skips slippery slope, starts in the abyss [Re: zappaisgod]
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as dreamy as Edwards is voting for him instead of ron paul is just being silly.


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"Life's a bitch and then you die that's why we get high cuz you never know when you're gonna go." - NAS
"When people don't know what you're about they put you down and shut you out" - Black Sabbath
"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind" - Gandhi
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Re: Edwards' health plan skips slippery slope, starts in the abyss [Re: BrAiN]
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It's funny that you equate public health care with socialism when in fact it's a basic human right.

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Re: Edwards' health plan skips slippery slope, starts in the abyss [Re: FecalDildo]
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In a perfect world, I'd like everyone to be covered, but the opposition has a point:

Why shoud I work my butt off to pay for someone that refuses to get a job? Why should a bum that refuses to contribute anything to HUMANITY have a HUMAN right to health care? I mean, if you don't give a shit about other people, why should it be a human right for you? What makes it a HUMAN right? Isn't it also a human right not to be forced to give a shit about someone else?

And itn't IS socialism? According to the definition of socialism, a universal health care system fits right into that definition. The only grey area is that some definitions assume that a socialist program is run by the state. Again.. not that I think that's a bad thing.. or that it would even have to be run by the government. Health care companies can still be private and the only way the gov't gets involved is to do the taxing and distribution.

I'd be 100% for a total American universal health care system where EVERYONE was covered like in Europe if you cut some of the other welfare programs to cover it. 40% of me agrees with universal health care for humane reasons, 60% of me thinks it would be a good business move (reducing pre-existing conditions).

Or maybe have those who can't afford it have the gov't pay for it if they do community service or something.

I always think community service is an untapped resource that can be used for leverage in a lot of hot button issues like immigration and welfare. I can think of a lot of public services that people can give their time to (trash pickup, volunteer firefighting, teaching) which people could use to earn their keep.

Edited by BrAiN (12/03/07 12:44 AM)

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Re: Edwards' health plan skips slippery slope, starts in the abyss [Re: FecalDildo]
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FecalDildo said:
Everyone pays taxes...

Not me!  :lol:  Not federal taxes at least.  Im what the govt considers 'in poverty'...

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Re: Edwards' health plan skips slippery slope, starts in the abyss [Re: DieCommie]
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look at it this way, why should decent people who have jobs and a family who get prostate cancer or breast cancer. should they have to pay a ton of money out of pocket for treatment to that will save their lives or should they have to settle for old less effective treatments or what if it happened to you or someone you know?  :devil:


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"Life sucks but in this really beautiful way" - Axl Rose
"Life's a bitch and then you die that's why we get high cuz you never know when you're gonna go." - NAS
"When people don't know what you're about they put you down and shut you out" - Black Sabbath
"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind" - Gandhi
"Look up at me I am God, look down on me and I am evil, look at me I am you." - Charles Manson.
"Don't question my reality." - Me (as far as I know)

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Re: Edwards' health plan skips slippery slope, starts in the abyss [Re: FecalDildo]
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FecalDildo said:
Everyone pays taxes, some people (me) just get a lot more in return than others (you).

LOL.


So then, your is health care is in fact NOT free. Thanks for clearing that up.


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Re: Edwards' health plan skips slippery slope, starts in the abyss [Re: FecalDildo]
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FecalDildo said:
It's funny that you equate public health care with socialism when in fact it's a basic human right.


I have NEVER, understood what this comment is based on.

What if everyone interested in medicine stopped going to medical school, and current doctors, surgeons, specialists just said, " Fuck it. People expect me to pay a fortune for the schooling and bust ass to learn all of this and develop skills just to take care of them for NOTHING? They think they have a right to me? I quit"

What gives Anyone, the right to demand FREE services from another?

What gives a government a right to demand people practice medicine to take care of it's citizens for them?

What makes people with nothing to barter, material goods "money" labor, think they have a right, to get something in exchange for nothing?

Does planet earth come with a rule book for humans that says so?

If so, who wrote it and who enforces it?


On a side note, here's another IMPRESSIVE plug for Ron Paul. During his years of practice as an OBGYN, if a patient could only make payments with Medicare, he refused the payment and took care of them for FREE.

He does not believe it would have been right of him, to take money that was stolen from people through "income taxing" to pay for the health care of someone else.

He believes that people should take care of themselves if able too and voluntarily help to take care of those unable to, through charity.

Life should never require a forceful take from one to give to another.

That is slavery and or theft at the end of the day. Who wants to be enslaved to another or stolen from???


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Re: Edwards' health plan skips slippery slope, starts in the abyss [Re: FecalDildo]
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FecalDildo said:
It's funny that you equate public health care with socialism when in fact it's a basic human right.


No it isn't.


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Re: Edwards' health plan skips slippery slope, starts in the abyss [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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gettinjiggywithit said:
What gives a government a right to demand people practice medicine to take care of it's citizens for them?


Well, most governments take the right, but, in America, it is unconstitutional for the government to do so. The federal government requiring that all citizens have health insurance is not within the authority of the federal government. Our government doesn't recognize socialized health care as a basic human right, with good reason. :yesnod:


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Like being here
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Re: Edwards' health plan skips slippery slope, starts in the abyss [Re: fireworks_god]
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I'm not quite sure Shit Dick is employable so I rather doubt he pays taxes, he just wants a handout. And BrAiN, you can forget that drinking and smoking shit. Once you're forced to go to the doc he'll be forced to snitch on your naughty behavior and you will have your peepee severely whacked. With a balpeen hammer. By gangs of women who all look like Hillary. That's right, bull dykes.


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Re: Edwards' health plan skips slippery slope, starts in the abyss [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
I'm not quite sure Shit Dick is employable so I rather doubt he pays taxes, he just wants a handout. And BrAiN, you can forget that drinking and smoking shit. Once you're forced to go to the doc he'll be forced to snitch on your naughty behavior and you will have your peepee severely whacked. With a balpeen hammer. By gangs of women who all look like Hillary. That's right, bull dykes.


I'll make sure to catch as many STD's as I can then

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Re: Edwards' health plan skips slippery slope, starts in the abyss [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
I'm not quite sure Shit Dick is employable so I rather doubt he pays taxes, he just wants a handout.


lol

But seriously, why the fuck do we need the feds to mandate healthcare? Why can't the states that want it implement it? Many states are larger in population that similar european countries w/ socialized medicine...

Why must DC be the source of this? I think people are complacent and want the great fed to save them... creates apathy in the state system of the same sort that socialized medicine creates in treatment providers when confronted with someone that doesn't have the arbitrary criteria for government treatment.

Give the money to the people and let charity work. If socialized medicine is mandated at least let people opt to give their share of taxes to the healthcare charity they choose.

Medicare is plenty for most things, and charity can fill in the rest. many counties already pay for drug addiction, std, and other services that fall through the cracks

The state is far more able to handle this situation... and when the buisnesses leave that state for another with lower taxes and overhead for inefficient government insurance programs for bums... well maybe those states will realize their being shortsighted and greedy.

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Re: Edwards' health plan skips slippery slope, starts in the abyss [Re: johnm214]
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> But seriously, why the fuck do we need the feds to mandate healthcare?

Because your moral values are broken and you need somebody like me, somebody that stands next to Jesus in holy divinity, to run your life for you. And once I finish with you, I am going to spread my moral values, like it or not, to the rest of the world. You will bow down to me, lick my feet, and worship the ground that I walk upon. You will... oh wait... ignore that last little bit, I didn't really mean it... yet.


Seriously, the real reason... the government used to protect the rights of the people to live as they like. This has been replaced. It is now the job of the government to protect the profits of companies. This often occurs at the expense of the people. The government does a bait and switch claiming that what is good for the profits of the companies is good for the people. (By government, I mean voted officials: president and congress.)

If the government returned rights to the states, the companies that thrive under the current system would no longer have a protected playing field.


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