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Re: Why I buy cage-free eggs [Re: VisionsToReality]
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I think there is bigger fish to fry at this moment in time, personally animal suffering isn't much compared to human suffering in the world we live in.

I'm an arrogant human though, I think we are better than chickens.

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Re: Why I buy cage-free eggs [Re: Adom]
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Out of sight out of mind caged eggs for me all the way!

I buy liquid egg whites and I've never seen cage free egg whites, so its not even an option.


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Re: Why I buy cage-free eggs [Re: Adom]
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I raise my own chickens that give me eggs.

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Re: Why I buy cage-free eggs [Re: disturbed]
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They have cage-free white eggs....

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Re: Why I buy cage-free eggs [Re: Adom]
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Adom said:
I think there is bigger fish to fry at this moment in time, personally animal suffering isn't much compared to human suffering in the world we live in.

I'm an arrogant human though, I think we are better than chickens.


I don't see why people can't focus on 2 good goals at once. It isn't hard to do. And if anything I view the animals as being superior to the humans, because they were here first, they didn't knowingly fuck up the ecosystem for all of evolution to fix, and humans have only been here for a fraction of evolutionary time.

But regardless of what you think, why not just multi task and be for both causes?


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Life is one big road with lots of signs,
So when you're ridin' through the ruts,
Don't you complicate your mind.

Flee from hate, mischief and jealousy
Don't bury your thoughts,
Put your vision to reality, yeah!

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Re: Why I buy cage-free eggs [Re: VisionsToReality]
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VisionsToReality said:
Even fish are a problem. I haven't decided on what's best to do about that yet.

It's projected that the world's fisheries (the natural ones) are going to collapse at the rate we are going by 2040 or 2050. We are fishing away the ocean to the point of worldwide oceanic ecosystem collapse.

On the other hand we have farm-raised fish wich are dirty, not as good, and also do their part in massively polluting the world through their wastes and nutrient runoff.

Shit, it's like you can't win one way or the other..


There are several guides published that tell you which fish are sustainable to eat and which ones cause environmental harm to harvest. Here's one such guide: http://blueocean.org/seafood/


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Re: Why I buy cage-free eggs [Re: VisionsToReality]
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I am thankful I can barely buy food. There is no way I would buy/afford organic or cage-free eggs. I am fully aware of the antibiotics and inhumane treatment, but I can eat it or starve.

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Re: Why I buy cage-free eggs [Re: VisionsToReality]
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Alot of places are selling their own brands of cage free eggs, now. Where I get them, they are only 40 more cents than the regular ones.


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Re: Why I buy cage-free eggs [Re: VisionsToReality]
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Man, haven't you read my posts? As far as I'm concerned I don't really buy into the meat-market, I am a do it your-self type. I try to show all those I know personally how much cheaper it is to do this... I share the wealth of my cheap eggs, meat and poultry. I am far from ignoring this problem I'm just not into PETA or other so called non-profit organizations.

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Re: Why I buy cage-free eggs [Re: bukkake]
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bukkake said:
I am thankful I can barely buy food. There is no way I would buy/afford organic or cage-free eggs. I am fully aware of the antibiotics and inhumane treatment, but I can eat it or starve.


Dude. Are you joking? It's like 50 cents to a dollar more for uncaged eggs, are you that poor? I find that pretty hard to believe.


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Life is one big road with lots of signs,
So when you're ridin' through the ruts,
Don't you complicate your mind.

Flee from hate, mischief and jealousy
Don't bury your thoughts,
Put your vision to reality, yeah!

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Re: Why I buy cage-free eggs [Re: VisionsToReality]
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Tight budgets are tight man, that is an extra 5$ a month if you are me and if you are feeding a house hold who knows how much... you cut pennies, he's a family man, are you?

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Re: Why I buy cage-free eggs [Re: Adom]
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Adom said:
Man, haven't you read my posts? As far as I'm concerned I don't really buy into the meat-market, I am a do it your-self type. I try to show all those I know personally how much cheaper it is to do this... I share the wealth of my cheap eggs, meat and poultry. I am far from ignoring this problem I'm just not into PETA or other so called non-profit organizations.


You really have a bias against these groups as a whole, it seems. Surely these organizations are not all on the same plane as PETA.


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Life is one big road with lots of signs,
So when you're ridin' through the ruts,
Don't you complicate your mind.

Flee from hate, mischief and jealousy
Don't bury your thoughts,
Put your vision to reality, yeah!

Edited by VisionsToReality (11/11/07 10:43 AM)

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Re: Why I buy cage-free eggs [Re: VisionsToReality]
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I am. I don't have health insurance and I struggle to pay for schooling. Buying $6 milk and $4 eggs isn't high on my list of priorities. It isn't realistic for poor people. It's like telling poor people to buy hybrids and install solar panels on their homes. But I would like to do it someday.

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Re: Why I buy cage-free eggs [Re: VisionsToReality]
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You are 100% correct, I do not trust any organization who asks for money. I have no reason for it and I haven't seen one make any difference as far as I'm concerned. I live in a agriculture economy and I see family farmers selling out to cooperates every day, nearly all of them have and the ones who haven't are loosing ground and either will sell out or lose it all. I'd rather buy a hog off them than read that stuff.

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Re: Why I buy cage-free eggs [Re: bukkake]
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Holy shit 6$ for milk?

Here, in Iowa, Organic whole milk by the gallon is under 3$ and the fanciest name on all of the eggs doesn't top 2.50$. 35k is a moderate living here though.

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Re: Why I buy cage-free eggs [Re: bukkake]
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bukkake said:
I am. I don't have health insurance and I struggle to pay for schooling. Buying $6 milk and $4 eggs isn't high on my list of priorities. It isn't realistic for poor people. It's like telling poor people to buy hybrids and install solar panels on their homes. But I would like to do it someday.


The cage free eggs I buy at hannaford costs 2.99
The organic milk I buy at hannaford is 3.50-4.50, I can't remember, but that's for a gallon

It is in no way akin to telling people to buy hybrids. I'm sure you have plenty-an-indulgence that you can shave off a couple extra bucks on and not even feel the difference. To each his own, I still respect your choice, given that you've weighed the options, at least


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Life is one big road with lots of signs,
So when you're ridin' through the ruts,
Don't you complicate your mind.

Flee from hate, mischief and jealousy
Don't bury your thoughts,
Put your vision to reality, yeah!

Edited by VisionsToReality (11/11/07 10:49 AM)

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Re: Why I buy cage-free eggs [Re: VisionsToReality]
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"Free-range" is not a legal industry term; therefore it is essentially meaningless. Farmers use the term to imply that they practice a more humane standard of production but, in reality, there is no regulation regarding how the word is interpreted or used. Although most consumers imagine free-range hens have access to the outdoors with plenty of sunlight, vegetation, and normal social interaction, to most egg producers, the "range" is simply a bigger cage than those in which battery-caged hens are kept.

Free-range egg farming is, above all else, a business. Consequently, profit surpasses concern for the animals' comfort, welfare, or behavioral needs. In addition, it is common for free-range layers to be debeaked just like battery-caged layers.

But even if free-range hens were treated with kindness and given all the space they could use, they will still be killed for meat when their egg production wanes, usually after one or two years, even though in a natural environment a hen could live fifteen years. And, like all other animals raised for food, they will be subjected to the horrors and abuses of transportation, handling, and slaughter.

An inherent problem with all egg production, whether free-range or battery-caged, is the disposal of unwanted male chicks at the hatchery. Because male chicks don't lay eggs and do not grow fast enough to be raised profitably for meat, they are deemed a financial liability, except for the few used as rooster studs. On average, one rooster is used to service ten hens. Hence, nine out of ten male chicks are considered virtually useless and will be killed by the cheapest means available, including suffocation and being ground up alive.

No matter what words or systems are used to candy coat animal production, when we treat sentient beings as commodities we invariably invite abuse. From a vegan perspective, the use of animals for human profit or gain, regardless of how they are raised or treated, is incompatible with vegan principles and the practice of compassionate living.

http://www.vegsource.com/jo/qa/qaeggs.htm

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Re: Why I buy cage-free eggs [Re: Adom]
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I've only seen Stonyfield Farms and Organic Valley around here. They range around $6. It's $3.29 for a gallon of regular milk, the kind with the pus and hormones.

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Re: Why I buy cage-free eggs [Re: bukkake]
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All acid heads should move to Iowa and take it over.  Everyone is leaving, real estate is cheap we could make our own colony and take over entire towns, the MS-13 mexican mafia is already doing it and they aren't peaceful, I guess that would never work :frown:

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Re: Why I buy cage-free eggs [Re: Adom]
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The Mexican mafia is taking over towns in Iowa?

Is Iowa one of the states giving free land to professionals for moving in? I'd move to Iowa if my neighbors weren't in eyesight.

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