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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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psychology and statistical methods....
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i've been thinking about all these correlations between what people inherited or experienced to present behaviors...and...
it seems to me that just discovering the statistic will make the statistic even more of a reality.

example:
obesity is hereditary (found by statistical methods).
kid learns that obesity is hereditary.
kid thinks there is nothing he can do about his fatness and gives up and continues getting fatter (possibly at a higher rate).

thinking of these thoughts...some how led me through some tangents to get to the point where i was thinking about the quote, "The Truth shall set you free." I don't believe that is the case. is it always beneficial to the person knowing truth about his reality and others(or does freedom not necessarily imply good things)?...but ones on secrecy can benefit him more than speaking truth.

then more thoughts....

faith. I've been wanting to BELIEVE that we are truly free (in our decision making) and at least somewhat in control of our future (rather than just experiencing what was already meant to happen).

as far as i know we can't prove that we have free will. i hope that we do...but if we turn out to prove that there is no free will....
then..i'm afraid...

we may be too smart for our own good.

Edited by TameMe (11/08/07 03:59 AM)

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Re: psychology and statistical methods.... [Re: TameMe]
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First of all, there are many different statistyical methods and experimental setups. Not all can be interpreted the same.

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obesity is hereditary (found by statistical methods)


Don't forget that there are many factors that make someone obese. Definitely not just heredity; in most cases real obesity isn't caused by heredital factors probably. A mistake interpreting results is easily made by lack of knowledge of statistics, interpretng every resuls as a truth. Many statistical results just view correlations between variables, which doesn't mean that one causes the other (in every case, like smoking and lung cancer for example)! (like the obesity example probably)

misconceptions about things are easily becoming 'myths' in daily life, accepted as truth.
I sure don't hope most kids think obesity is hereditary (after reaching a certain age). It's kinda common knowledge that you can reduce/prevent most cases of obesity by a healthy lifestyle, and I hope most parents know that..


So my point really is: don't make hastily conclusions about results that are made with statistical methods.


(ps I'm a psychology student who has had a lot of statistics and methodology of research)

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Re: psychology and statistical methods.... [Re: TameMe]
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TameMe said:
as far as i know we can't prove that we have free will. i hope that we do...but if we turn out to prove that there is no free will....
then..i'm afraid...


We can't prove that we experience reality, either. :shrug:


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Re: psychology and statistical methods.... [Re: stefan]
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We can check for 'significances' at least.


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Re: psychology and statistical methods.... [Re: TameMe]
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TameMe said:
faith. I've been wanting to BELIEVE that we are truly free (in our decision making) and at least somewhat in control of our future (rather than just experiencing what was already meant to happen).

as far as i know we can't prove that we have free will. i hope that we do...but if we turn out to prove that there is no free will....
then..i'm afraid...

we may be too smart for our own good.


i came to this same conclusion a few nights ago...i began to see how there are infinite number of choices for every action/thought in your life..but there is only one single outcome for each infinity...therefore it is possible to be predetermined


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Re: psychology and statistical methods.... [Re: Subsonic]
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IMO we are predetermined as soon as we start interaction with other humans (mater and pater). The type of interaction ("healthy or unhealthy") determines mindset and beliefs from then on. We have very little wiggle room after that. Even if one "overcomes" their so called early childhood traumas to some extent, it is only in relation to those traumas that we undertake action in our behalf in the first place. This IMO does not constitute free will.


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The more knowledge, the more grief.
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