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Offlinenubious
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Rapists & Psychological Disorder...
    #2685471 - 05/16/04 04:40 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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If our strive to 'look cool so we can make babies' creates the foundation for society based on self improvement, then can it be fair to say that racists are only trying to fulfill their natural instincts the best way they know how? Inappropriate you say? I agree, yet...

If a rapist, as a boy (say 20 years previous to being a rapist), is beated as a child, then this instills the value that 'Physical Violence is an all encompassing solution to frustration when a better method of problem solvement is unavailable to the person commiting the act (of violence)'. Agreed?

So technically, isn't it NOT the rapists fault, I mean, of course they have the choice not to rape the victim, but if science cannot prove the existance of free will, and what we have is only the 'observation of possible outcomes' creating the illusion of free will, then should it not be said that the rapist had no other choice BUT to rape their victim out of desperation to fulfill their primal instincts?

Just a thought. Discuss if you so choose.
Should rapsits be held responsible?
You may choose only one
Yes: The rapist should be held 100 percent accountable for their actions
No: The rapist is a product of their upbringing, and therefor does not know any other way
Undecided: I can't say - I'm not sure!?


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OfflinePositronius
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Re: Rapists & Psychological Disorder... [Re: nubious]
    #2685596 - 05/16/04 05:45 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

---Physical Violence is an all encompassing solution to frustration when a better method of problem solvement is unavailable to the person commiting the act (of violence)'. Agreed?

-Nope, many children are beaten, only some choose to believe in violence as a solution, i.e. the unevolved less intelligent types.

---So technically, isn't it NOT the rapists fault, I mean, of course they have the choice not to rape the victim, but if science cannot prove the existance of free will, and what we have is only the 'observation of possible outcomes' creating the illusion of free will, then should it not be said that the rapist had no other choice BUT to rape their victim out of desperation to fulfill their primal instincts?

nope. Following this line of logic means that every man who isnt getting laid should be raping women, which isnt true, only the sick, morally depraved types do it.

Rape isnt about genetics, its about power, control and pain, read any psychological profile report of rapists and you will find this to be fact.

all rapists should face life imprisonment, no chance of parole EVER


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Offlinezenmunk
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Re: Rapists & Psychological Disorder... [Re: Positronius]
    #2685854 - 05/16/04 10:10 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:



all rapists should face life imprisonment, no chance of parole EVER





agreed.


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Re: Rapists & Psychological Disorder... [Re: nubious]
    #2686065 - 05/16/04 12:33 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

i do feel bad for rapists. but i also think that they should be locked up for life.

some are only teens when they start..why not investaget the entire family? mabey they have borthers and sisters who might go down the same line.


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OfflineMixomatosis
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Re: Rapists & Psychological Disorder... [Re: soylent_green]
    #2686424 - 05/16/04 02:35 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

"why not investaget the entire family?"


Hmmmmmmmm say..

you're not a neo-nazi are you?


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Re: Rapists & Psychological Disorder... [Re: nubious]
    #2687699 - 05/16/04 06:59 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Personally, I think you should've forced the voters to vote either Yes/No, or come back when they are decided.

It's all the rapists' fault. Society, nay, your victim won't excuse you for things "beyond your control." Fact of the matter is, as a rapist, you committed a heinous deed. Now you have to pay for it.


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OfflinePositronius
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Re: Rapists & Psychological Disorder... [Re: nubious]
    #2687797 - 05/16/04 07:13 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Scientists proving free will??????????

what kind of manic circus do you think this is?


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Re: Rapists & Psychological Disorder... [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #2687812 - 05/16/04 07:16 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Mixomatosis said:
"why not investaget the entire family?"


Hmmmmmmmm say..

you're not a neo-nazi are you?





all i ment was, if someone is raping people because of being a battered child..should that be taken in account?


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Re: Rapists & Psychological Disorder... [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #2687816 - 05/16/04 07:17 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

"you're not a neo-nazi are you?"

What does that make you mixo? Hitler?


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OfflinePositronius
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Re: Rapists & Psychological Disorder... [Re: soylent_green]
    #2687853 - 05/16/04 07:24 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

"all i ment was, if someone is raping people because of being a battered child..should that be taken in account?"

hell no. Read my initial reply.


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OfflineMixomatosis
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Re: Rapists & Psychological Disorder... [Re: soylent_green]
    #2687869 - 05/16/04 07:28 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Toad.. I don't get it... is this a joke?

soylent.. I was refering to the demented police-state mentality of monitoring the entire family of a convicted rapist for other potential bad apples. This is logic served on a platter of fascism and somebody posting on a drug site should know better.


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Re: Rapists & Psychological Disorder... [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #2687873 - 05/16/04 07:29 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Mixomatosis: I know I've asked you this before, but please keep the off-topic slander out of this forum.

Same has to be said to you, HypnoToad!

Correct me if I'm wrong...but the topic here is not your views of eachother :wink:


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OfflinePositronius
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Re: Rapists & Psychological Disorder... [Re: trendal]
    #2687890 - 05/16/04 07:34 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

you're wrong.

The topic is always our views of each other. Our self is represented through the thoughts we post, which people accept or critique, thus accepting or critiquing our selves.

isnt this obvious????


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Re: Rapists & Psychological Disorder... [Re: Positronius]
    #2687902 - 05/16/04 07:37 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

isnt this obvious????

Nope  :smirk:

We are discussing ideas here. Calling eachother nazis is not a very efficient form of discussion, and is not welcome in this forum.


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OfflinePositronius
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Re: Rapists & Psychological Disorder... [Re: trendal]
    #2687921 - 05/16/04 07:41 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

but...the word nazi represents a set of ideas....

its short-hand for a belated description of a fascist/totalitarian philosophy that everyone understands.


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OfflineMixomatosis
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Re: Rapists & Psychological Disorder... [Re: trendal]
    #2687939 - 05/16/04 07:44 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Trendal, you're like cop always two steps behind the burglar. Too many donuts, tooooo many donuts.

What I mean by this is that I've mastered the art of intricately weaving valid on-topic points of discussion with clever insults into a richly-coloured tapestry depicting myself engaged in a winning bare-handed battle against an african lion.


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Re: Rapists & Psychological Disorder... [Re: trendal]
    #2687943 - 05/16/04 07:46 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Hitler wasnt a nazi... :-p he was king of the nazis roflmao

Anyways Im sorry.Mixo just brings out the worst in me I guess.


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Re: Rapists & Psychological Disorder... [Re: HypnoToad]
    #2687950 - 05/16/04 07:48 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

hypno, if I was darth vader and you were luke, the Return of the Jedi would have had a very different ending.


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Re: Rapists & Psychological Disorder... [Re: HypnoToad]
    #2687954 - 05/16/04 07:48 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

the art of intricately weaving valid on-topic points of discussion with clever insults

Well that's nice that you have worked so hard to post like you do. However such attitudes are not welcome in S&P. So leave the "insults" that you so masterfully weave out of your posts, in here :wink:


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Re: Rapists & Psychological Disorder... [Re: HypnoToad]
    #2687961 - 05/16/04 07:49 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Anyways Im sorry.Mixo just brings out the worst in me I guess.

Apology accepted, so don't worry about it anymore :smile:


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Re: Rapists & Psychological Disorder... [Re: HypnoToad]
    #2687962 - 05/16/04 07:49 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

As I see it sometimes the person has a compulsion which is hard to resist for them.I think it depends on the situation but he still bears some responsibility but sometimes people need help getting better.


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OfflinePositronius
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Re: Rapists & Psychological Disorder... [Re: trendal]
    #2687987 - 05/16/04 07:55 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Well that's nice that you have worked so hard to post like you do. However such attitudes are not welcome in S&P. So leave the "insults" that you so masterfully weave out of your posts, in here

---I think you're on going over-bearing parenting style does more damage to the discourse than a few well=placed barbs.

but this isnt about discussion quality is it? its about egos, mod icons, and control.


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Re: Rapists & Psychological Disorder... [Re: Positronius]
    #2688009 - 05/16/04 08:01 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

but this isnt about discussion quality is it?
Actually, it is :smirk:

its about egos
Nope, wrong thread! You're thinking of ss7's thread: "Keeping the ego in check?"

mod icons
What? You mean that little "M"? I wasn't aware that we were discussing that.

and control.
Yes, yes. I'm an evil nazi dictator. I've heard this all before :smirk:


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Re: Rapists & Psychological Disorder... [Re: trendal]
    #2688139 - 05/16/04 08:38 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

thanks for the advice, dad


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Re: Rapists & Psychological Disorder... [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #2688213 - 05/16/04 08:56 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Keep it up :wink:


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Re: Rapists & Psychological Disorder... [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #2688917 - 05/16/04 11:22 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Mixomatosis said:
Toad.. I don't get it... is this a joke?

soylent.. I was refering to the demented police-state mentality of monitoring the entire family of a convicted rapist for other potential bad apples. This is logic served on a platter of fascism and somebody posting on a drug site should know better.




the entire family wouldn't be convited of rape, mabey it had nothing to do with the family. but the chance of having abusive parents is higher than normal, so why not question them? they may just be ordnary parents. but if checking up on the family stoped just one abusive parent. it would be worth while.


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Re: Rapists & Psychological Disorder... [Re: soylent_green]
    #2688958 - 05/16/04 11:32 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

but the chance of having abusive parents is higher than normal, so why not question them?

---Families are allready questioned (when it is relevent), but that has no bearing on a woman who has allready been raped. When questioning the family is irrelevent, it would only drain police resources.

The government, (canadian) allready attempts to monitor and prevent abuse, and abusive parents (when caught) generally lose their children to the government. But....that doesnt often help anything.


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Re: Rapists & Psychological Disorder... [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #2688969 - 05/16/04 11:35 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Mix, try this phrase when disagreeing with another:

"You're sick and obsessed."

That one seems to slide under the radar.


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Re: Rapists & Psychological Disorder... [Re: Swami]
    #2689489 - 05/17/04 01:23 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Rapists & Psychological Disorder... [Re: nubious]
    #2689662 - 05/17/04 02:02 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

If a rapist, as a boy (say 20 years previous to being a rapist), is beated as a child, then this instills the value that 'Physical Violence is an all encompassing solution to frustration when a better method of problem solvement is unavailable to the person commiting the act (of violence)'. Agreed?

It does seems as if those who are abused as children, especially sexually, never quite get over their anger and can carry that burden throughout their entire life, frequently lashing out at others over trivial matters.

While it is a powerful negative influence it can be worked through with professional help.


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Re: Rapists & Psychological Disorder... [Re: nubious]
    #2689854 - 05/17/04 03:20 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I agree with Swami.  :grin:

Everyone has some kind of negative issue they grow up with in their childhood that has the possibility of causing them to take anger out on someone else when they are adults.

Everyone has the same opportunity to get counseling or do something to lessen the effect of that negative issue, whether the issue has to do with molestation, physical abuse, whatever. 

By not choosing to get help, by choosing to act out based on the negative issues that impact us as children, we choose to let the negative issues impact us, and consequently society through us. 

Hmmm.  That sounds terrible.

If I am abused physically as a child, and I grow up to hurt others as a result, that is still my choice.  I could have chosen other courses of action alternatively to hurting others.  Many who are abused don't grow up to abuse others. 

If someone is abused, and he hurts others, such as by rape, lock him up, but by all means offer him counseling while he is in jail.  He is ultimately responsible for his actions, regardless of what caused him to act in that way in the first place.  Abuse in early childhood only provides an explanation as to why someone acts abusively as an adult.  It's not an excuse.


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Re: Rapists & Psychological Disorder... [Re: nubious]
    #2692558 - 05/17/04 07:59 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

this argument seems to ignore rapists who were not battered as children... like those soldiers in iraq, buttraping prisoners with flashlights


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