Drewwyann said:

do i just hang out with stupid people?

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Drewwyann said:

I found out recently that a lot of my friends that use LSD and use other much more dangerous drugs, think that LSD should stay illegal. They claim that a lot of people cant handle themselves on acid, and if they have a bad trip everything in the world will go to shit and there will be chaos. i was extremely disheartened to hear them say this.

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I don't think the legalization of psychedelics would cause widespread problems.  If someone has a bad trip, they are just less likely to take it again. Psychedelics are self-regulating in this way; they don't always guarantee a good time. Obviously they aren't for everyone.  I wish alcohol was like that; someone has a bad alcohol experience and thereafter they stay away from it... doesn't usually happen though.  People go back to it.

We also have to remember that legalization of a drug does not necessarily mean that people don't use them already... whatever problems would arise are probably already happening for the most part.

I supposed LSD is a bit different, given that its availability has been severely affected by its prohibition

Like OMR said though, there is no sense in abrupt, across-the-board legalization of drugs.  Education is the way to protect people from the harmful effects of drugs.

To answer your question, I don't think it would make sense to legalize LSD until  North Americans get over their habit of blaming others for anything bad that happens to them.  A large-scale ideology of personal responsibility must pervade the population before it would work.

That said, I don't think it makes much sense to punish people for the use of drugs like LSD.

Let's start with legalizing cannabis and see where that takes us.

EllisDSox said:

I think LSD should be legal, but if it were to be suddenly legalised, all kinds of idiots would destroy themselves abusing it.

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fireworks_god said:

EllisDSox said:

I think LSD should be legal, but if it were to be suddenly legalised, all kinds of idiots would destroy themselves abusing it.

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People are responsible for themselves. No reason why it shouldn't be instantly legalized. Idiots destroy themselves abusing anything. We don't need an institution to take us by the hand and lead us through baby steps towards having our own liberty. Its our right as a sovereign entities, and that right already exists.

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  And here at the Shroomery, isn't the #1 thing to encourage the responsible use of drugs?  This isn't about institutions leading us by the hand. This is about people understanding there is use, and there is abuse.

fireworks_god said:

No reason why it shouldn't be instantly legalized.

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fireworks_god said:

No reason why it shouldn't be instantly legalized.

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True or false? If one selects false, then one subsequently does not feel that human beings are sovereign entities responsible for their own actions.

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lib·er·ty      /ˈlɪbərti/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[lib-er-tee] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun, plural -ties. 1. freedom from arbitrary or despotic government or control. 
2. freedom from external or foreign rule; independence. 
3. freedom from control, interference, obligation, restriction, hampering conditions, etc.; power or right of doing, thinking, speaking, etc., according to choice. 
4. freedom from captivity, confinement, or physical restraint: The prisoner soon regained his liberty.

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3. freedom from control, interference, obligation, restriction, hampering conditions, etc.; power or right of doing, thinking, speaking, etc., according to choice.

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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed, by their Creator, with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.

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Jefferson believed that each individual has "certain inalienable rights". That is, these rights exist with or without government; man cannot create, take, or give them away. It is the right of "liberty" on which Jefferson is most notable for expounding. He defines it by saying "rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law', because law is often but the tyrant’s will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual."[14] Hence, for Jefferson, though government cannot create a right to liberty, it can indeed violate it. And the limit of an individual's rightful liberty is not what law says it is but is simply a matter of stopping short of prohibiting other individuals from having the same liberty. A proper government, for Jefferson, is one that not only prohibits individuals in society from infringing on the liberty of other individuals, but also restrains itself from diminishing individual liberty.

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The fact that others may take irresponsible action that violates the rights of others does not give any government the authority to violate my own right to liberty.

You either think human beings have a right to liberty and that the government subsequently cannot infringe upon that liberty by making certain usage of a substance illegal (usage that does not infringe upon the rights of others), or you think the government has that right and that, subsequently, human beings do not have the right to liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

So, yes, anyone who answers false definitely doesn't think that human beings have a right to liberty. It automatically extends.

OneMoreRobot3021 said:

Nothing is automatic. Logic is not universal.

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truekimbo2 said:

jesus can you imagine if the you had big bussiness selling you acid AND encouraging poeple to watch television all day and buy into whatever shit they were advertising at the moment...  poeple would go along with it like lemmings.

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  at least when you do drugs you have to accept that you're a criminal, and poeple will try and stop you/harm you/punish you.  it sets you up to realise other forms of manipulation and abuse by those who seek poker.

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I personally don't like having people try to stop me, harm me, or punish me for following my living right to liberty and the pursuit of happiness. I can become aware of other manners in which people attempt to manipulate and abuse me by my own, without having to be subjected to even more, undue manipulation and abuse.

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edit:  also it would destroy an economy that many well meaning slackers with not many other skills depend on...

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  and it would put the profits in the hands of whichever evil company had the best marketing compagine.

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