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OfflinePhishgrrl
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Re: Nobel Prize Winner who used LSD [Re: Help on the Way]
    #2697186 - 05/18/04 05:47 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

That is cool. Thanks for the info. :thumbup:


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Re: Nobel Prize Winner who used LSD [Re: Learyfan]
    #2697239 - 05/18/04 05:53 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

seriously... slip posted a cool ass story, and if you guys re-read his first post you will notice he didnt make any unfounded statement about lsd.. he just supplied an awesome story... dont jump to such fast conclusions next time, and if you dont agree with what someone said... dont jump on them, post constructively..... people will want to talk about it more if you dont come off as an ass.

and good post learyfan


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Re: Nobel Prize Winner who used LSD [Re: Phencyclidine]
    #2697356 - 05/18/04 06:06 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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Phencyclidine said:
If it was found that these drugs can have medical value then I would be genuinely happy.




There's been lots of studies that show the benefits of using LSD in a psychotherapeutic setting, especially in the treatment of alcoholism. There's 1000s of papers out there to read...


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Re: Nobel Prize Winner who used LSD [Re: Help on the Way]
    #2697418 - 05/18/04 06:12 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Very interesting person. Thanks for dropping the quote and links. :thumbup:


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Re: Nobel Prize Winner who used LSD [Re: phi1618]
    #2698873 - 05/19/04 12:07 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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phi1618 said:
There are many true things that can't be scientifically tested; the statement "LSD and psychedilics have the potential to help people who use them in many ways" is one.





No, certain types of "help" are certainly within the realm of scientific inquiry.


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Re: Nobel Prize Winner who used LSD [Re: HeavyToilet]
    #2698885 - 05/19/04 12:10 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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HeavyToilet said:
That's pretty neat that he says he wouldn't have invented PCR without LSD.

I haven't seen that site before. It looks pretty good, no or very little propaganda. :thumbup:




The whole site is a political representation.

Would any of you call a website titled "some people who have taken LSD" if it only showed people who had failed to acheive their dreams or done terrible things (like, Charles Manson).  Let's also say that one of those people blamed their failure to acheive anything in life on LSD.  Would you not object and call it unfair propaganda?


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Re: Nobel Prize Winner who used LSD [Re: Phencyclidine]
    #2698934 - 05/19/04 12:19 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Doesn't matter. He said he couldn't have come up with it without LSD. It's his idea. His testimony. His brain. Could he be lying? Sure. But why would he feel the need to say that his work couldn't have been done sober? It's not your place to tell a Nobel Prize winner what he does and doesn't think. You're not psychic. But you are missing the point. He didn't say that anyone could take LSD and become a brilliant genius. All he's saying is that it benefited him personally. The end.


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Re: Nobel Prize Winner who used LSD [Re: bert]
    #2699037 - 05/19/04 12:33 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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bert said:
Doesn't matter. He said he couldn't have come up with it without LSD. It's his idea. His testimony. His brain.




That doesn't make him an expert on what caused him to think what.

Also, take a closer look at what he said. He didn't say that he was definately sure. He left room for doubt. Why aren't you?

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Could he be lying? Sure.




That's possible, but I think it's not the most plausible explanation.

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But why would he feel the need to say that his work couldn't have been done sober?




I think that he simply is mistaken.

Maybe he has an ulterior motive. Maybe he's so sick of anti-drug propaganda that he decided to use his social status to contradict the propaganda.

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It's not your place to tell a Nobel Prize winner what he does and doesn't think.




It's not my place to tell anyone what the do and don't think.

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You're not psychic.




This is hardly relevant. Nothing I've said requires the assumption that I am psychic.

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All he's saying is that it benefited him personally. The end.




And all I'm saying is that I doubt he could convince me of that.

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Now that you see that I didn't tell this guy what to think (seriously, the things you accuse me of saying are absurd), I shouldn't have to point out that not everything a Nobel Prize winner says is true. Albert Einstein and Neils Bohr also won Nobel Prizes and I credit them with saying things that aren't true. Attempting to appeal to my sense of modesty is a type of fallacy.


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Re: Nobel Prize Winner who used LSD [Re: bert]
    #2699232 - 05/19/04 01:08 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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bert said:
Doesn't matter. He said he couldn't have come up with it without LSD. It's his idea. His testimony. His brain. Could he be lying? Sure. But why would he feel the need to say that his work couldn't have been done sober? It's not your place to tell a Nobel Prize winner what he does and doesn't think. You're not psychic. But you are missing the point. He didn't say that anyone could take LSD and become a brilliant genius. All he's saying is that it benefited him personally. The end.




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Re: Nobel Prize Winner who used LSD [Re: Learyfan]
    #2699270 - 05/19/04 01:22 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Consensus doesn't make you right. Try adding something meaningful instead of simply saying that you agree. I could just continually say that I disagree. Whether or not more people agree or disagree is irrelevant.

Hey and address this issue while you're at it:

"The whole site is a political representation.

Would any of you call a website titled "some people who have taken LSD" if it only showed people who had failed to acheive their dreams or done terrible things (like, Charles Manson). Let's also say that one of those people blamed their failure to acheive anything in life on LSD. Would you not object and call it unfair propaganda? "

It does matter. That site is pure propaganda and the inventor of PCR is simply giving his opinion. I think he has the right to his opinion but putting it on that site of propaganda only convinces psychedelic idealists (like some in this thread) that LSD must have caused him to invent it "like he said" (which he didn't even say).


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Re: Nobel Prize Winner who used LSD [Re: Phencyclidine]
    #2699370 - 05/19/04 01:46 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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Would any of you call a website titled "some people who have taken LSD" if it only showed people who had failed to acheive their dreams or done terrible things (like, Charles Manson). Let's also say that one of those people blamed their failure to acheive anything in life on LSD. Would you not object and call it unfair propaganda? "




I'm sure that there are many sites that list the names of people who have had their lives ruined by LSD. But the reason that it's ok to have a site toughting famous people who have had positive drug experiences is because 95% of everything most people hear about drugs is negative. It's the same reason that it's ok to have Black Entertainment Television, because most TV is run by white people.


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It does matter. That site is pure propaganda and the inventor of PCR is simply giving his opinion. I think he has the right to his opinion but putting it on that site of propaganda only convinces psychedelic idealists (like some in this thread) that LSD must have caused him to invent it "like he said"




He's showing the other side of the coin. The media has brainwashed an entire generation or two to believe that LSD is all bad. This guy is saying "wait a minute, some people have had great success using these drugs".


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(which he didn't even say)




Yes he did.




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Re: Nobel Prize Winner who used LSD [Re: Learyfan]
    #2699424 - 05/19/04 02:01 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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Learyfan said:
But the reason that it's ok to have a site toughting famous people who have had positive drug experiences is because 95% of everything most people hear about drugs is negative.




So if I understand you correctly, it's okay to have potentially misleading propaganda as long as its reactionary?


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Yes he did.




Notice that he says he doubts it? Not that he considers it absolutely true.


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Re: Nobel Prize Winner who used LSD [Re: Phencyclidine]
    #2699467 - 05/19/04 02:11 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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So if I understand you correctly, it's okay to have potentially misleading propaganda as long as its reactionary?




Potentially misleading? Does it really need to tell everyone that there are negative consequences to drug use?


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Notice that he says he doubts it? Not that he considers it absolutely true.





He seriously doubts it. What does anyone know beyond a shadow of a doubt?





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Re: Nobel Prize Winner who used LSD [Re: Learyfan]
    #2699600 - 05/19/04 02:43 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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Learyfan said:
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So if I understand you correctly, it's okay to have potentially misleading propaganda as long as its reactionary?




Potentially misleading? Does it really need to tell everyone that there are negative consequences to drug use?




No, it does not have to. If anyone is misled by it, then it is due to their own error in reasoning.

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Notice that he says he doubts it? Not that he considers it absolutely true.





He seriously doubts it. What does anyone know beyond a shadow of a doubt?




That's where my source of disagreement lies. I 'seriously doubt' that his doubt could be all that serious when analyzed rationally.


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Re: Nobel Prize Winner who used LSD [Re: Help on the Way]
    #2699783 - 05/19/04 04:33 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

An interesting addendum:

Despite his incredible success, Dr. Mullis went onto even more notoriety in the scientific community by showing up for presentations with slides of naked women. I guess he might have talked about some science, but I only heard about the naked women...

...obviously he's thinking with both sides of the brain.


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Re: Nobel Prize Winner who used LSD [Re: PiperDoon]
    #2699954 - 05/19/04 05:52 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

:laugh: Those biochemists are always good for a laugh.  :grin:


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Re: Nobel Prize Winner who used LSD [Re: Phencyclidine]
    #2700155 - 05/19/04 09:22 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

I think you're missing the point.. the guy SAID he couldn't have done it without LSD. It's not a fact. Why are you making such a huge deal out of it?  :wink:


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Re: Nobel Prize Winner who used LSD [Re: Brugman]
    #2701326 - 05/19/04 02:47 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

cause some people like to argue just for the sake of arguing :smirk:


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Re: Nobel Prize Winner who used LSD [Re: Infrared]
    #2703267 - 05/19/04 11:09 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

man you guys sure can ruin a perfectly good story....I'm glad it was my turn to lead storytime.


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Re: Nobel Prize Winner who used LSD [Re: Hooty]
    #2703541 - 05/20/04 12:17 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Sometimes it's best to ignore people. Let them post what they want but keep the thread going in the right direction, ya know? Not all our visitors are open minded.


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