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Nobel Prize Winner who used LSD
    #2694844 - 05/18/04 11:54 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Anybody ever heard of Kary Mullis?  I guess he was a chemist who won the nobel prize in 1993 for the invention of polymerase chain reactions. 


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Nobel Prize Winner for Chemistry in 1993 and inventor of PCR, a method for detecting even the smallest amount of DNA in ancient materials. "Would I have invented PCR if I hadn't taken LSD? I seriously doubt it," he says. "I could sit on a DNA molecule and watch the polymers go by. I learnt that partly on psychedelic drugs."




http://www.thegooddrugsguide.com/articles/famous_users/lsd.htm



this site also talks about some things he has to say about lsd

http://www.csp.org/chrestomathy/dancing_naked.html


I think its fucking cool that LSD users are winning nobel prizes :smile:
The net has a lot of other info on him, im suprised i never heard or read about him until now 


Drugs kill braincells my ass. Take that DARE!!!!!  :tongue:


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Re: Nobel Prize Winner who used LSD [Re: Help on the Way]
    #2694891 - 05/18/04 12:19 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Big fucking deal.

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"Would I have invented PCR if I hadn't taken LSD? I seriously doubt it,"
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I don't care what this person says, I doubt that they could prove that this is correct.

Also, there are probably millions of morons who take LSD.

It's probably the case that a relationship between taking LSD and winning a nobel prize is random. With many people using LSD, it's bound to happen that some LSD users will win a Nobel prize.

The most interesting thing about this person is the PCR.


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Re: Nobel Prize Winner who used LSD [Re: Phencyclidine]
    #2694936 - 05/18/04 12:45 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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Phencyclidine said:

Also, there are probably millions of morons who take LSD.





i never said that wasnt true,


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I don't care what this person says, I doubt that they could prove that this is correct




okay man...you have made shitloads of posts in lots of acid/shroom threads about how they can't prove that psychedelics have benefited anybody, etc.....we ALL know where you stand....if you want to keep arguing that, the go ahead and do it in some other threads, but please dont ruin my post by doing that here.

i just wanted to share some info that i found interesting for the shroomerites who might want to read it. If you dont think its interesting, then just dont reply instead of being so negative

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Re: Nobel Prize Winner who used LSD [Re: Help on the Way]
    #2695017 - 05/18/04 01:50 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Wow, I knew lsd was mind-expanding. Some of the most complex ideas seem so simple when you're tripping. It's like you see something & you understand everything about it without thinking about it. thanks for sharing that!


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Re: Nobel Prize Winner who used LSD [Re: Help on the Way]
    #2695436 - 05/18/04 06:57 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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Slipknot420 said:
if you want to keep arguing that, the go ahead and do it in some other threads, but please dont ruin my post by doing that here.




Ruin your post? What you own the thread now? People could easily ignore my response.

Your post has no point. Yes, some pretty smart and noteworthy people take or have taken LSD. Big fucking deal.

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i just wanted to share some info that i found interesting for the shroomerites who might want to read it. If you dont think its interesting, then just dont reply instead of being so negative




I'm just trying to make sure no one gets mislead into thinking that LSD will help them win a nobel prize.


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Re: Nobel Prize Winner who used LSD [Re: Help on the Way]
    #2695506 - 05/18/04 07:27 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

That's pretty neat that he says he wouldn't have invented PCR without LSD.

I haven't seen that site before. It looks pretty good, no or very little propaganda. :thumbup:


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Re: Nobel Prize Winner who used LSD [Re: Phencyclidine]
    #2695540 - 05/18/04 07:41 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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I'm just trying to make sure no one gets mislead into thinking that LSD will help them win a nobel prize.




Wow. Thanks. I had no idea.

My gut reaction the the first post in this thread was definately "Wow! I could win a nobel prize now since I've dropped acid!?!!"

Please. Your fucking stupid, and your apparently everyone else is as stupid as you. Which is obviously not true.

Why dont you stop wasting your time here and go try to convince the kids on the corner that smoking weed wont make them a rap star....


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Re: Nobel Prize Winner who used LSD [Re: Help on the Way]
    #2695552 - 05/18/04 07:44 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

And like I was going to say in the first place, before I read that torrent of stupidity...

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"I could sit on a DNA molecule and watch the polymers go by.





Is probably my favorite quote by a scientist ever....


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Re: Nobel Prize Winner who used LSD [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #2695601 - 05/18/04 08:00 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Please don't fight guys.


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Re: Nobel Prize Winner who used LSD [Re: Phencyclidine]
    #2695819 - 05/18/04 09:00 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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I'm just trying to make sure no one gets mislead into thinking that LSD will help them win a nobel prize.




:doh:


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Re: Nobel Prize Winner who used LSD [Re: Help on the Way]
    #2696242 - 05/18/04 10:29 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks Slipknot! That's cool as all get out!

:thumbup: :thumbup:




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Re: Nobel Prize Winner who used LSD [Re: Phencyclidine]
    #2696318 - 05/18/04 10:44 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Yes, because you're an authority on what happens in other people's minds, right?


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Re: Nobel Prize Winner who used LSD [Re: valour]
    #2696411 - 05/18/04 11:06 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

When did I claim to be an authority? All I said was that I doubt that the scientist could prove it. I made no claim about what went on inside this person's mind. Thanks for (mis)reading.


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Re: Nobel Prize Winner who used LSD [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #2696610 - 05/18/04 11:35 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Yes, I am a moron, because you know exactly why I made my post.

I hate anti-drug propaganda, probably as much as any of you do, but you must realize that there's also a lot of pro-drug propaganda that psychedelic idealists put out. The biggest problem is that some psychedelic idealists who claim to want to have open and honest dialogue about psychedelic drugs ignore their own logical fallacies and stubbornly refuse to accept that they *might* be wrong. IMO, if a movement to legitimize or legalize psychedelic drugs, which is probably something that all of us here want (including myself), is going to be successful then the people involved in that movement shouldn't risk their credibility by stubborn refusal to consider other points of views.

That being said, I don't think that it's stupid of me for seeing that the original post could possibly be misleading to some of the users here. Remember that this site has thousands of registered users. Some of them might not see the obvious truth of what I've said.

You're right that there was no need for me to be hostile or negative. I'm sorry.

I do think psychedelic drugs do have the potential to benefit humanity. Unfortunately, due to oppresive laws it is very difficult to do enough studies to conclude that LSD or MDMA or whatever can benefit human beings. If it was found that these drugs can have medical value then I would be genuinely happy.

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I don't need anybody to tell me I am ot actually bettering myself when I take them, I know it to be true and so do the people that know me.




I consider your assertion that you "know it to be true" likely to be false but if you want to discuss it further, bring it to S&P or PM me.


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Re: Nobel Prize Winner who used LSD [Re: Phencyclidine]
    #2696816 - 05/19/04 12:01 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

dude did you know that ALL of the nobel prize winners in history have breathed oxygen?

oxygen is some good shit, mang :thumbup:


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Re: Nobel Prize Winner who used LSD [Re: Help on the Way]
    #2696881 - 05/19/04 12:09 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

I found that interesting, his trip report was reminiscent of my first, although he was on a much higher dose. 1000 micrograms would be quite the adventure, especially for a first dose.

Many misinformed people would be astonished to hear that this Nobel Prize winner dropped acid. That it effected his work is fascinating, I'm not suprised but I know my grandmother would be.


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Re: Nobel Prize Winner who used LSD [Re: Help on the Way]
    #2697063 - 05/19/04 12:33 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

There are many true things that can't be scientifically tested; the statement "LSD and psychedilics have the potential to help people who use them in many ways" is one.


Cool post, slipknot :smile:


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Re: Nobel Prize Winner who used LSD [Re: Help on the Way]
    #2697127 - 05/19/04 12:41 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

good stuff man :cool:


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Re: Nobel Prize Winner who used LSD [Re: Phencyclidine]
    #2697158 - 05/19/04 12:44 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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I'm just trying to make sure no one gets mislead into thinking that LSD will help them win a nobel prize.




Thanks! I was starting to wonder when they'd be knocking on my door with the good news! :laugh: Now I can leave my house. :wink:


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Re: Nobel Prize Winner who used LSD [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2697167 - 05/19/04 12:45 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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DoctorJ said:
dude did you know that ALL of the nobel prize winners in history have breathed oxygen?

oxygen is some good shit, mang :thumbup:




:rolleyes:

Ridiculous. The guy said that he wouldn?t have been able to do what he did if he hadn?t taken LSD. Sheesh. Weither you guys believe it or not, that?s what the man said.




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Re: Nobel Prize Winner who used LSD [Re: Help on the Way]
    #2697186 - 05/19/04 12:47 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

That is cool. Thanks for the info. :thumbup:


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Re: Nobel Prize Winner who used LSD [Re: Learyfan]
    #2697239 - 05/19/04 12:53 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

seriously... slip posted a cool ass story, and if you guys re-read his first post you will notice he didnt make any unfounded statement about lsd.. he just supplied an awesome story... dont jump to such fast conclusions next time, and if you dont agree with what someone said... dont jump on them, post constructively..... people will want to talk about it more if you dont come off as an ass.

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Re: Nobel Prize Winner who used LSD [Re: Phencyclidine]
    #2697356 - 05/19/04 01:06 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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Phencyclidine said:
If it was found that these drugs can have medical value then I would be genuinely happy.




There's been lots of studies that show the benefits of using LSD in a psychotherapeutic setting, especially in the treatment of alcoholism. There's 1000s of papers out there to read...


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Re: Nobel Prize Winner who used LSD [Re: Help on the Way]
    #2697418 - 05/19/04 01:12 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Very interesting person. Thanks for dropping the quote and links. :thumbup:


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Re: Nobel Prize Winner who used LSD [Re: phi1618]
    #2698873 - 05/19/04 07:07 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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phi1618 said:
There are many true things that can't be scientifically tested; the statement "LSD and psychedilics have the potential to help people who use them in many ways" is one.





No, certain types of "help" are certainly within the realm of scientific inquiry.


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Re: Nobel Prize Winner who used LSD [Re: HeavyToilet]
    #2698885 - 05/19/04 07:10 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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That's pretty neat that he says he wouldn't have invented PCR without LSD.

I haven't seen that site before. It looks pretty good, no or very little propaganda. :thumbup:




The whole site is a political representation.

Would any of you call a website titled "some people who have taken LSD" if it only showed people who had failed to acheive their dreams or done terrible things (like, Charles Manson).  Let's also say that one of those people blamed their failure to acheive anything in life on LSD.  Would you not object and call it unfair propaganda?


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Re: Nobel Prize Winner who used LSD [Re: Phencyclidine]
    #2698934 - 05/19/04 07:19 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Doesn't matter. He said he couldn't have come up with it without LSD. It's his idea. His testimony. His brain. Could he be lying? Sure. But why would he feel the need to say that his work couldn't have been done sober? It's not your place to tell a Nobel Prize winner what he does and doesn't think. You're not psychic. But you are missing the point. He didn't say that anyone could take LSD and become a brilliant genius. All he's saying is that it benefited him personally. The end.


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Re: Nobel Prize Winner who used LSD [Re: bert]
    #2699037 - 05/19/04 07:33 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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Doesn't matter. He said he couldn't have come up with it without LSD. It's his idea. His testimony. His brain.




That doesn't make him an expert on what caused him to think what.

Also, take a closer look at what he said. He didn't say that he was definately sure. He left room for doubt. Why aren't you?

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Could he be lying? Sure.




That's possible, but I think it's not the most plausible explanation.

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But why would he feel the need to say that his work couldn't have been done sober?




I think that he simply is mistaken.

Maybe he has an ulterior motive. Maybe he's so sick of anti-drug propaganda that he decided to use his social status to contradict the propaganda.

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It's not your place to tell a Nobel Prize winner what he does and doesn't think.




It's not my place to tell anyone what the do and don't think.

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You're not psychic.




This is hardly relevant. Nothing I've said requires the assumption that I am psychic.

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All he's saying is that it benefited him personally. The end.




And all I'm saying is that I doubt he could convince me of that.

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Now that you see that I didn't tell this guy what to think (seriously, the things you accuse me of saying are absurd), I shouldn't have to point out that not everything a Nobel Prize winner says is true. Albert Einstein and Neils Bohr also won Nobel Prizes and I credit them with saying things that aren't true. Attempting to appeal to my sense of modesty is a type of fallacy.


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Re: Nobel Prize Winner who used LSD [Re: bert]
    #2699232 - 05/19/04 08:08 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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Doesn't matter. He said he couldn't have come up with it without LSD. It's his idea. His testimony. His brain. Could he be lying? Sure. But why would he feel the need to say that his work couldn't have been done sober? It's not your place to tell a Nobel Prize winner what he does and doesn't think. You're not psychic. But you are missing the point. He didn't say that anyone could take LSD and become a brilliant genius. All he's saying is that it benefited him personally. The end.




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Re: Nobel Prize Winner who used LSD [Re: Learyfan]
    #2699270 - 05/19/04 08:22 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Consensus doesn't make you right. Try adding something meaningful instead of simply saying that you agree. I could just continually say that I disagree. Whether or not more people agree or disagree is irrelevant.

Hey and address this issue while you're at it:

"The whole site is a political representation.

Would any of you call a website titled "some people who have taken LSD" if it only showed people who had failed to acheive their dreams or done terrible things (like, Charles Manson). Let's also say that one of those people blamed their failure to acheive anything in life on LSD. Would you not object and call it unfair propaganda? "

It does matter. That site is pure propaganda and the inventor of PCR is simply giving his opinion. I think he has the right to his opinion but putting it on that site of propaganda only convinces psychedelic idealists (like some in this thread) that LSD must have caused him to invent it "like he said" (which he didn't even say).


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Re: Nobel Prize Winner who used LSD [Re: Phencyclidine]
    #2699370 - 05/19/04 08:46 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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Would any of you call a website titled "some people who have taken LSD" if it only showed people who had failed to acheive their dreams or done terrible things (like, Charles Manson). Let's also say that one of those people blamed their failure to acheive anything in life on LSD. Would you not object and call it unfair propaganda? "




I'm sure that there are many sites that list the names of people who have had their lives ruined by LSD. But the reason that it's ok to have a site toughting famous people who have had positive drug experiences is because 95% of everything most people hear about drugs is negative. It's the same reason that it's ok to have Black Entertainment Television, because most TV is run by white people.


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It does matter. That site is pure propaganda and the inventor of PCR is simply giving his opinion. I think he has the right to his opinion but putting it on that site of propaganda only convinces psychedelic idealists (like some in this thread) that LSD must have caused him to invent it "like he said"




He's showing the other side of the coin. The media has brainwashed an entire generation or two to believe that LSD is all bad. This guy is saying "wait a minute, some people have had great success using these drugs".


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(which he didn't even say)




Yes he did.




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Re: Nobel Prize Winner who used LSD [Re: Learyfan]
    #2699424 - 05/19/04 09:01 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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But the reason that it's ok to have a site toughting famous people who have had positive drug experiences is because 95% of everything most people hear about drugs is negative.




So if I understand you correctly, it's okay to have potentially misleading propaganda as long as its reactionary?


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Yes he did.




Notice that he says he doubts it? Not that he considers it absolutely true.


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Re: Nobel Prize Winner who used LSD [Re: Phencyclidine]
    #2699467 - 05/19/04 09:11 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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So if I understand you correctly, it's okay to have potentially misleading propaganda as long as its reactionary?




Potentially misleading? Does it really need to tell everyone that there are negative consequences to drug use?


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Notice that he says he doubts it? Not that he considers it absolutely true.





He seriously doubts it. What does anyone know beyond a shadow of a doubt?





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Re: Nobel Prize Winner who used LSD [Re: Learyfan]
    #2699600 - 05/19/04 09:43 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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So if I understand you correctly, it's okay to have potentially misleading propaganda as long as its reactionary?




Potentially misleading? Does it really need to tell everyone that there are negative consequences to drug use?




No, it does not have to. If anyone is misled by it, then it is due to their own error in reasoning.

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Notice that he says he doubts it? Not that he considers it absolutely true.





He seriously doubts it. What does anyone know beyond a shadow of a doubt?




That's where my source of disagreement lies. I 'seriously doubt' that his doubt could be all that serious when analyzed rationally.


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Re: Nobel Prize Winner who used LSD [Re: Help on the Way]
    #2699783 - 05/19/04 11:33 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

An interesting addendum:

Despite his incredible success, Dr. Mullis went onto even more notoriety in the scientific community by showing up for presentations with slides of naked women. I guess he might have talked about some science, but I only heard about the naked women...

...obviously he's thinking with both sides of the brain.


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Re: Nobel Prize Winner who used LSD [Re: PiperDoon]
    #2699954 - 05/19/04 12:52 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

:laugh: Those biochemists are always good for a laugh.  :grin:


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Re: Nobel Prize Winner who used LSD [Re: Phencyclidine]
    #2700155 - 05/19/04 04:22 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

I think you're missing the point.. the guy SAID he couldn't have done it without LSD. It's not a fact. Why are you making such a huge deal out of it?  :wink:


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Re: Nobel Prize Winner who used LSD [Re: Brugman]
    #2701326 - 05/19/04 09:47 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

cause some people like to argue just for the sake of arguing :smirk:


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Re: Nobel Prize Winner who used LSD [Re: Infrared]
    #2703267 - 05/20/04 06:09 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

man you guys sure can ruin a perfectly good story....I'm glad it was my turn to lead storytime.


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Re: Nobel Prize Winner who used LSD [Re: Hooty]
    #2703541 - 05/20/04 07:17 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Sometimes it's best to ignore people. Let them post what they want but keep the thread going in the right direction, ya know? Not all our visitors are open minded.


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Re: Nobel Prize Winner who used LSD [Re: Hooty]
    #2703820 - 05/20/04 08:13 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

I !????  ruined it:smirk:


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Re: Nobel Prize Winner who used LSD [Re: Help on the Way]
    #2704329 - 05/20/04 10:24 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

i haven't done lsd... but ive done shrooms a few times. does that mean i can win a nobel prize too?! :laugh:

seriously though.. i can see where he's coming from.  If I was on the verge of some huge discovery and i dropped acid.. i have a feeling i know where the trip would lead.  psychedelics allow me to think outside the box to a MUCH greater extent then i normally can.  perhaps looking at his experiments from a different perspective helped him as well.


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Re: Nobel Prize Winner who used LSD [Re: Brugman]
    #2704830 - 05/20/04 05:43 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Brugman said:
the guy SAID he couldn't have done it without LSD.




No, he said he doubted it.

Quote:

Why are you making such a huge deal out of it?  :wink:




I've already explained.  Read above.

LOL @ whoever implied that I'm a close-minded visitor.


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Re: Nobel Prize Winner who used LSD [Re: Phencyclidine]
    #2705148 - 05/20/04 07:34 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

You gotta watch those "psychedelic idealists" :wink:


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Re: Nobel Prize Winner who used LSD [Re: Organic]
    #2706881 - 05/21/04 01:16 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Deepblue I definately wasn't pointing any fingers at you...


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Re: Nobel Prize Winner who used LSD [Re: Organic]
    #2708749 - 05/21/04 07:34 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Interesting thing about the term "psychedelic idealists" is that I had never heard the term before I started using it. Someone was trying to tell me that the definition I gave of "psychedelic idealist" was so narrow that almost nobody else would agree on the definition. Another person came up with a link to a doctoral thesis that someone was doing on 'psychedelic idealists (on the internet)' who was using the same definition of me. It's definately a recognizeable group, IMO.


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Re: Nobel Prize Winner who used LSD [Re: Hooty]
    #2717414 - 05/23/04 12:06 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Once, i was basically failing a chem class, and a single night on lsd towards the end of the semester was responsible for me pulling a B in the class. I think that is why i thought the whole LSD inspired Nobel Prize story to be so cool. Although im sure most people who have used psychedelics would think its a pretty cool story

Kary Mullis seems to be a pretty interesting guy. Although I was reading some of his theories on AIDS which seem kind of far out, i think he said AIDS isn't caused by HIV, but by the medications they give people to treat HIV. i dont really know about that...but i still think he's interesting


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Re: Nobel Prize Winner who used LSD [Re: Phencyclidine]
    #2717445 - 05/23/04 12:20 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

thanks for the friendly rating pcp :smile:
grow up and stop jacking threads


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Re: Nobel Prize Winner who used LSD [Re: Help on the Way]
    #2720920 - 05/24/04 07:37 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Once, I was doing very poorly in a math class. I studied while on LSD a number of times and my average went up over 30%. I suspect that it may have had something to do with the ability to visual graphs. I can't be sure of that though. It might simply have been related to the fact that I was now putting a lot more time into studying math.

Hell, I went into my last year of high school chemistry with an average around 65%. The last month before exams I did LSD once every 3 to 4 days. I did half a sheet in that month. I studied for chemistry during the comedowns of some of the trips close to my chemistry exam. I almost got 100% on my exam. Was it the LSD? Or was it simply that I was now actually putting a lot of time into studying chemistry?

"jacking threads"? Don't be such a baby. It's not your thread.


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Re: Nobel Prize Winner who used LSD [Re: Phencyclidine]
    #2720961 - 05/24/04 07:51 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

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Once, I was doing very poorly in a math class. I studied while on LSD a number of times and my average went up over 30%. I suspect that it may have had something to do with the ability to visual graphs. I can't be sure of that though. It might simply have been related to the fact that I was now putting a lot more time into studying math.

Hell, I went into my last year of high school chemistry with an average around 65%. The last month before exams I did LSD once every 3 to 4 days. I did half a sheet in that month. I studied for chemistry during the comedowns of some of the trips close to my chemistry exam. I almost got 100% on my exam. Was it the LSD? Or was it simply that I was now actually putting a lot of time into studying chemistry?

"jacking threads"? Don't be such a baby. It's not your thread.




So what are you saying? Did you visualize the graphs or what?


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Re: Nobel Prize Winner who used LSD [Re: iloveraving]
    #2721119 - 05/24/04 08:44 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

I did visualize the graphs, but that doesn't prove to me that LSD helped me learn math. Also, it doesn't mean that I couldn't have done it without LSD. The correlation between LSD use and the improved marks doesn't imply causation. I suspect that in the case of the math marks, the LSD may've helped, due to the visualization of the graphs, but I can't say for certain. That's what I'm saying. I don't really know, even though this happened inside my own head.


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Re: Nobel Prize Winner who used LSD [Re: Help on the Way]
    #2721362 - 05/24/04 10:40 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

"okay man...you have made shitloads of posts in lots of acid/shroom threads about how they can't prove that psychedelics have benefited anybody, etc.....we ALL know where you stand....if you want to keep arguing that, the go ahead and do it in some other threads, but please dont ruin my post by doing that here."

Maybe he says that because he likes PCP, look at his avatar, if thats his idea of tripping???

The right person can not only enjoy psychedelics ...but of course you could get smarter.

And there are more famous acid users then you might realize, anyone who thinks that psychedelics and quatum physics dont relate to each other or that LSD might help someone understand it , has NOT read ANYTHING about these subjects.

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Re: Nobel Prize Winner who used LSD [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #2721442 - 05/24/04 11:17 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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Maybe he says that because he likes PCP, look at his avatar, if thats his idea of tripping???




I have never used PCP.

Really though, you're implication seems to be that obviously there's something wrong with me if I think a PCP trip is a real trip. Do you understand that you're being snobby about psychedelic drugs?

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anyone who thinks that psychedelics and quatum physics dont relate to each other or that LSD might help someone understand it , has NOT read ANYTHING about these subjects.





I've read about both. They do relate to each other, just like any two subjects relate to each other. Agriculture also relates to quantum physics. Of course, you're suggesting something more profound, but you're too vague about it for me to understand.

I highly doubt that Erwin Schrodinger was using LSD when he came up with his famous wave equation or that Max Plank was dropping acid when he proposed the idea of energy being quantized.


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Re: Nobel Prize Winner who used LSD [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #2721512 - 05/24/04 11:46 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

anyone who thinks that psychedelics and quatum physics dont relate to each other or that LSD might help someone understand it , has NOT read ANYTHING about these subjects.

Psychedelics and quantum physics? What is the relation? I've read a lot about psychedelics and quantum physics, can't find a major relation.


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