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Re: Possible cancer cure [Re: Mirth]
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Trendal can answer for himself but I have already shown how both can be true. (See above).


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Re: Possible cancer cure [Re: Mirth]
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Ok so please tell me how A) and B) can both be true.

zorbman hit the nail on the head: repeated use for many years would probably give them some sort of immunity to it.

They certainly aren't eating a fatal dose in one sitting...

Do you not believe me that b17 is toxic? You can read the literature on it, and you'll see that what I'm saying is true.


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Once, men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free.
But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.

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Re: Possible cancer cure [Re: trendal]
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Well,     



to be perfectly honest with you mister T, I have access to many documents that say both that it is and that it isnt toxic - most say it isnt and the ones saying it is are certainly less convincing (not at all actually).

I put -  b17 toxic  - into good ole google and every one of the top ten says that its not toxic, I followed the link for all ten .
I am indeed not silly enough to cite this alone as perfect proof but the links are quite persuasive in the direction of it being gooooood for you .

I am a little busy so I am hoping that you might help me find the documents that have led you to think differently to me .

:rocket:Thanks    In    Advance:rocket:


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Re: Possible cancer cure [Re: Mirth]
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Well if you search for "b17 toxic" you are going to find pages that say it isn't toxic...because the only people who call it B17 think it is non toxic :wink:

Try "amygdalin toxic" and you'll get a different picture...


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Re: Possible cancer cure [Re: trendal]
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Good point dude - I shall .


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Re: Possible cancer cure [Re: Syle]
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Syle said:
trendal said:
No, it's banned because so-called "vitamin-b17" turns into cyanide when ingested...not something you want in a drug :wink:


if yer gonna die anyways...why not give it a chance?


instead of having your cells replicate at an abnormally fast rate, the cyanide would just cease the function of your cells.


anyhow... I don't know how old you are Myrth, BUT if there were a cure for cancer, don't you think everyone would know about it by now?  Then again, maybe a cure isn't something to look for, rather a treatment, which would be way more lucrative.

Some supplements you may want to look up

Resveratrol
Inositol IP-6

They're also possible cures for cancer!  not really, but I know Inositol IP-6 is a supplement cancer patients use.  Resveratrol is really interesting actually.  You know the whole thing about a glass of wine a day is good for ya?  Well Resveratrol is the grape extract.  If you were a devout wino, then you may achieve the effects of taking a single pill of Resveratrol, but I know they have prescription Resveratrol, which is just a higher dose, and over the counter.  So instead of drinking 100 bottles of wine, you can take two pills without the hangover. :smile:


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is to be like water
For water benefits all things
and goes against none of them
It provides for all people
and even cleanses those places
a man is loath to go
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Re: Possible cancer cure [Re: Mirth]
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I hate the notion that people think cancer can simply be "cured"...


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Re: Possible cancer cure [Re: LiquidSmoke]
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Same here.

Or that there is a "magic bullet" for cancer.

Personally, if I am fighting a beast like cancer I want all the bullets in my gun and leave an empty chamber.


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Re: Possible cancer cure [Re: zorbman]
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I was reading something the other day that pot apparently kills lung cancer. In lab tests the tumor shrank 50% in 2 weeks. The THC does something to restrict the blood flow to tumors and they die. The stated that this explained why the expected hike in lung cancer in the children of the 60-70's never happened. There was a study Web MD did also that said they set out to prove once and for all that pot caused brain damage and killed braincells and they said they proved the opposite. They followed some of the heavy smokers for up to 13 yrs and there was nothing significantly notable in the comparison between 700 potheads and 400 non smokers of the same age category. The third cool thing was that it made braincells grow back which they don't do. It apparently causes braincell regeneration in lab mice...

Cool huh. Started on topic and drifted but I figured I would throw in the extra couple facts cuz it's neat to know when defending your smoking.


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I don't get it, the things I don't want to do, I do. The things I do want to do, I don't do. So if I do the things I don't want to do, then it isn't I that does them, but the sin living in me.

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Re: Possible cancer cure [Re: TwiztidShroom]
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HAhahahahah!! THat's great to hear.


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Re: Possible cancer cure [Re: TwiztidShroom]
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A study done a few years ago on the effects pot has on IQ came up with some interesting results...more-so in light of what you just posted.

They took a bunch of people who had all had IQ tests done when they were 11 or 12, and who hadn't smoked weed yet. They gave them all a second test at 20/21. Then they split them into two goups: the tokers and the non-tokers. They split the tokers into further groups:
-ones who smoked heavily (7 or more joints per week)
-ones who smoked casually (less than 7 per week)
-ones who had smoked and quit 1 year prior to their second test

They found that, on average, the IQs of the people who had never smoked went up 4 points...while the heavy users were down 1 point and the casual users even.

The biggest surprise came from the smoked and quit group, who's IQs rose an average of 5 points...more than the people who had never smoked!

This leads me to wonder...can I expect a 5 point increase 1 year after quitting weed??


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Re: Possible cancer cure [Re: TwiztidShroom]
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TwiztidShroom said:
I was reading something the other day that pot apparently kills lung cancer. In lab tests the tumor shrank 50% in 2 weeks. The THC does something to restrict the blood flow to tumors and they die. The stated that this explained why the expected hike in lung cancer in the children of the 60-70's never happened. There was a study Web MD did also that said they set out to prove once and for all that pot caused brain damage and killed braincells and they said they proved the opposite. They followed some of the heavy smokers for up to 13 yrs and there was nothing significantly notable in the comparison between 700 potheads and 400 non smokers of the same age category. The third cool thing was that it made braincells grow back which they don't do. It apparently causes braincell regeneration in lab mice...

Cool huh. Started on topic and drifted but I figured I would throw in the extra couple facts cuz it's neat to know when defending your smoking.



I've read that study and you have realize that for this one study with remarkable results, you have about 10-20 more studies that executed the exact same experiments with completely no results.

But as a reader of what's published, you only get to hear about the few studies which did have remarkable results.

I believe the term is called publishing bias...


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