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OfflineMwhod
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Birdseed trouble
    #701640 - 06/25/02 08:40 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Hello. Recently i have started 3 batches of birdseed, using a syringe for each batch of 7 jars (qt jars filled 1/2 full). All of the batches i have steeped then drained the water/rinsed, and PC'ed, with several differentations in steeping time, including the last batch wich i did not let absorb 1/2 as much water as my first two.

All of the batches would not shake, and were mainly in 1 big clump except for a little loose at the top. And my first two batches seemed to explode a little bit out of the hulls, but my third did not and still came out the same.

Am i wasting my time with these, or will they colonize slower, and hopefully break up after shaking in a couple weeks? I packed very loose, drained the best i could, and hand pressed some water out of a couple batches after steeping, but with the same result. I brought to a boil and then let sit for 45 minutes to an hour, then washed and drained as by the tek (about 35-40 minutes my last batch). I used about 1 1/4 inch of water over the birdseed when i brung to a boil. (said to let it absorb as much as it could).

I appreciate your comments


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Re: Birdseed trouble [Re: Mwhod]
    #701650 - 06/25/02 08:43 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

i would just wait a week or so and see what they do before id dump them...if its really wet though...it prolly wont work


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Re: Birdseed trouble [Re: Mwhod]
    #701714 - 06/25/02 09:09 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I just did the exact same thing (3 jars though) 4 days ago. Same exact description as yours.

Innoculated mine with whispy healthy mycelium from a cake that's fruiting now.

I just checked on 'em when I saw the title to this post (good reminder)...

Milky white liquid around the birdseed, smelled like sour milk, dumped 'em down the disposal.

Chuck 'em now, or chuck 'em later, up to you. Too bad you wasted your spores.


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Re: Birdseed trouble [Re: Mwhod]
    #701805 - 06/25/02 09:47 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

You let the seeds boil for 45-60 minutes....too long in my experience.
Also shaking the seeds while still hot after pressure cooking is important to prevent sticking together.
You might try preparing the seeds with fixed water amounts next time:
http://www.fungifun.org/grain/


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Re: Birdseed trouble [Re: TM]
    #701830 - 06/25/02 10:00 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

hmm.. did your seed look good before it went into the pressure cooker? Mine looked excellent and i was thinking i had it perfect, but they came out like they did =\. I think the heat might've over cooked them into 1 big blob, but i think i can still make it work. I got another batch cooking that is less water content then the other 3.. damn bird seed seems tricky =\.

The top layer should be suffecient for mycelium growth, and i just stuck the needle through the filter and squirted about 1 1/2 cc+ in each jar through 1 inoc. spot on the surface. If i have to I believe i can save a few jars by getting a sterilized mixing rod and adding a little dryer substrate (grass seed, worm castings or maybe even a touch of bulk substrate like horse shit ). I have worked around grass seed that was too wet and clumpy before without many problems =]

I just dont want to have to do that because of possible contams

The damn tek though said to let it absorb as much water as possible


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Re: Birdseed trouble [Re: Anno]
    #701835 - 06/25/02 10:04 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Ah, so my problem was letting them sit over night instead of shaking while hot.. I'll try to avoid that next time. Thanks for pointing that out Anno.


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Re: Birdseed trouble [Re: Mwhod]
    #701841 - 06/25/02 10:07 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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damn bird seed seems tricky



Very

In reply to:

The damn tek though said to let it absorb as much water as possible



Same one I read.

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Re: Birdseed trouble [Re: Mwhod]
    #701846 - 06/25/02 10:10 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I shook 'em while hot, for about 10 mins, let 'em sit in the strainer for 3 hours, shook again, let sit for 2 hours, then jarred and PC'd. Still failed.

I don't think I'll be trying birdseed again for quite a while.



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Re: Birdseed trouble [Re: TM]
    #701852 - 06/25/02 10:13 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

>then jarred and PC'd.

You have to shake them while hot AFTER the pressure cooking, not before.....


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Re: Birdseed trouble [Re: Anno]
    #701864 - 06/25/02 10:20 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Well, of course I did, Anno, I was talking about drying them after simmering.

"strainer"?

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Re: Birdseed trouble [Re: TM]
    #701901 - 06/25/02 10:41 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Pic below is quart of BS, soaked ovenight, brought to a simmer, rinsed well, drained for 1/2 hour or 45 minutes & loaded into jar by hand, w/filter disk applied & 2 -- 1/4 inch holes in lid, PC?ed at 15 pounds for about 90 minutes & allowed to cool all day or overnight & PC?ed again (same as above).

PC allowed to cool until pressure drops to zero, jars removed, lid tightened, shaken (hot), placed in a cardboard box & stored until cooled to room temp.

Then innoc with EQ spore syringe of about 4 -- 1/2 CC squirts in one hole at an angle towards each corner of jar, (yah, I know, the Raccoon is a bad aim & the jars are a little to full -- blame the Yukon Jack -- not the Raccoon).

Innoc hole taped over. Double coffee filter rubber banded over lid, Jar stored in cardboard storage box at 85 F. This is day 6.

Colonization seems more rapid if innoc with an colonized agar wedge, grain to BS or liquid Myc solution. At least that is the Raccoons experiance. Keep trying. You will get it right. What works for the Racoon may not work for all. Your results may vary. SixTango



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Re: Birdseed trouble [Re: SixTango]
    #701929 - 06/25/02 10:58 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

That looks great! Go ahead Six, rub it in! (jk)

I think for now I'll just save myself the hassle and use pf tek cakes or pre-sterilized rye grain bags for colonizing compost.

Maybe someday I'll try the BS BS again.


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Re: Birdseed trouble [Re: TM]
    #701945 - 06/25/02 11:17 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

TM, no rub ,

LOL, The Racoon never did PF jars well & had to bust a load of jars to get his first load of cakes out. Then never fruited a cake, instead using then to spawn into dung/straw.

That was the last cakes, the Racoon ever even tried. He went to grain, then BS. What might help you is to add a little dung or hay juice to your BS soak. That seemed to speed things up, when the Racoon had it handy to use.

If you have PetSmart stores in your area? A 45 pound bag of BS is only about $7 bucks. That creates a LOT of spawn, once you get in going right.

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Re: Birdseed trouble [Re: SixTango]
    #701952 - 06/25/02 11:25 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

My BS would've been fine if it wasn't too wet. I just couldn't remove enough moisture after simmering. the seed I used was Spray Millet removed from the sprays. $2.99 for a 2oz pkg.!

I think the problem was that I broke a lot of 'em stripping 'em off the sprays, now that I think about it. Whada you think?


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Re: Birdseed trouble [Re: SixTango]
    #701987 - 06/26/02 12:00 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Looks nice. I just got done with 1 load and starting another, shaking while hot was the key. It shook perfectly.. I geuss im going to risk chance at contamination and bust up my other jars with a stirrer once the spores hatch








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Re: Birdseed trouble [Re: Mwhod]
    #702061 - 06/26/02 01:52 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I don't get this... where in Anno's Grain for Simple Minds does it say anything about simmering?


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Re: Birdseed trouble [Re: zeta]
    #702071 - 06/26/02 02:04 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

How are you going to shake that qt jar after everything is colonising to help speed the process? It looks like WAY too much seed for a jar.


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Re: Birdseed trouble [Re: Pennywise]
    #702130 - 06/26/02 03:50 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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to help speed the process


You answered your own question. Speeding the process is optional. You can also just let it do it's thing.


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Re: Birdseed trouble [Re: zeta]
    #702147 - 06/26/02 04:25 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

>where in Anno's Grain for Simple Minds does it say anything about simmering?

It doesn?t.
There are several aproaches of doing it.


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