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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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The I Ching...
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I posted about this in the pub, but didn't get the answer I was looking for, so I guess I'll try here. :smile:

I was reading about I Ching for the first time a couple days ago. It sounds interesting but theres something I don't understand. The question asked does not influence the choice of which hexagram is chosen as the answer. So if the oracle always gives a valid answer and the answer is random, wouldn't that make all of the hexagrams correct for every valid question? Why not just pick a hexagram?

maybe I'm missing something.

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Re: The I Ching... [Re: Alnico]
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maybe everything possibility is an answer?


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The best way to live
is to be like water
For water benefits all things
and goes against none of them
It provides for all people
and even cleanses those places
a man is loath to go
In this way it is just like Tao        ~Daodejing

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Re: The I Ching... [Re: Alnico]
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There are many different interpretations of what the I Ching is, and how it should be used.

I understand it as a parameter check so I know the correct existential/emotional algorithm.

That is, the only question is "where are we now and where might we go from here?"

I've heard the I Ching, Runes, or Tarot should not be used until one has achieved contact and communication with one's Jinn, Genius, or Higher-Self.

It's not so much a means of communication, as it is a means of maintaining communication, with subtle aspects of one's own consciousness.

here's a related thread.

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Re: The I Ching... [Re: Middleman]
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Buy a magic 8-ball, much more reliable.


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The Prophecy!

Learn To Code

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Re: The I Ching... [Re: blewmeanie]
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all oracles are proxies for the connection you already have inside yourself.
the process of connecting to your "indicative sign" or to your "abstract motif" or key as a solution or aid to some complex problematic context, is not like turning and pulling the simple and direct levers and gears in an adding machine.

Unless you are good at physics at the holographic matrix level of complexity, this has to be seen as non-mechanical.

when you throw the coins, you are conditioning your mind not the book
you are influencing your own sense of flux and deforming your own flat head into the kind of processing unit that can look at the oracle and use it.

when you are ready you locate the stanzas and begin reading on as many levels of interpretation as seem suitable to you.

if you can do this dry, without a coin toss, fine, you probably can also do it with a dish of sardines just as well as the i-ching.

however, there is another kind of gracious sanity in using something old and wise seeming such like the i-ching.

I enjoy it a lot.


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:brainfart: _ :finger:

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Re: The I Ching... [Re: Cracka_X]
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Cracka_X said:
maybe everything possibility is an answer?


I remember Tim Leary being impressed with the I Ching but said it was a joke for fortune telling as that was not it's purpose.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: The I Ching... [Re: Icelander]
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fame fortune and love are part of what makes big ripples in the water of the oracle.

(I always say I don't do fortune telling at all)


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Re: The I Ching... [Re: redgreenvines]
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if you keep an open mind with the I-ching and dont try to manipulate the answer to fit to something you like it works great...:yinyang:

Ive asked the I ching certain things and in response are answers which would make no sense at all to a different question i have asked...:yinyang:

I see the I ching as an amazing tool which provides me with some damn good insight on current past and future instances... :yinyang:

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Re: The I Ching... [Re: Alnico]
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As always, thanks for the response.

Haha, I never can completely grasp your posts redgreenvines, but I always feel less confused about my question after reading them. :grin:

edit: I forgot to ask: is it ok to ask the same question multiple times, or is there some rule against that?

Edited by Alnico (04/05/07 02:20 PM)

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Re: The I Ching... [Re: Alnico]
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What i usually do is ask a question flip the coins get one answer...flip the coins get another answer.. flip the coins get another answer... after three answers i look em all up and see what they mean...

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Re: The I Ching... [Re: Alnico]
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Alnico said:
As always, thanks for the response.

Haha, I never can completely grasp your posts redgreenvines, but I always feel less confused about my question after reading them. :grin:

edit: I forgot to ask: is it ok to ask the same question multiple times, or is there some rule against that?


that's funny about the looseness of the grasping, or the measure of uncertainty about my meaning. I guess these expressions of general concepts can't be that useful if they lock down too specifically. I work at generating concepts that are half open. (half baked?)

and about asking the same question repeatedly, well isn't a good question worth it?


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Re: The I Ching... [Re: redgreenvines]
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I suppose it is.

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Re: The I Ching... [Re: Alnico]
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and sometimes silence is a lovely answer


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Re: The I Ching... [Re: redgreenvines]
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Awesome new avatar red! :lol:

Oh yeah, and I-ching is cool too  :yinyang:


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