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Re: Amanita Muscaria pictures from WA.
    #67513 - 12/04/99 04:02 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Wow, I've never tried an Amanita. Those are some real beauties!!


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Re: Amanita Muscaria pictures from WA.
    #67515 - 12/04/99 04:12 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Are there any lookalikes in the Seattle area? I saw some of those and thought they weren't anything psychosomatic, probably poisonous. Could've been a lookalike, though.

Not quite so many though. Man thats a baker's dozen and a half if I've ever seen one.

I should be asking mj. Oh well. Cool find, Ryche.

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Re: Amanita Muscaria pictures from WA.
    #67516 - 12/04/99 04:27 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I have to wonder why the magick mushroom community is interested in these species at all. MHO: Stay away from poison, that's why you grow your own caps anyway- to avoid poison caps from stupid dealers. Why would you purposely pursue these shrooms?

Sorry, I've been wondering for a long time why this community is so interested in these caps.

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Re: Amanita Muscaria pictures from WA.
    #67517 - 12/04/99 05:26 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I've been wondering that too. The first thing anyone ever told me about those shrooms was "don't take them, ever." I thought they were poisonous, or at least risky to eat.

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Re: Amanita Muscaria pictures from WA.
    #67518 - 12/04/99 07:35 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Yup they shure are pertty! I found a small patch like 4-6 in a Pulsboa week after Ryche Was in Seattle....3 days ago I found a very small patch of 4 right here in the fricken sub-burbs!!! Actually my friend spotted them from a bus window! Damn good eyes if you ask me! Anyway they are a site but not a choice shroom in my case....wouldnt mind trying to grow them....I hear mescaline is pretty high in demand......Naaaa aint worth it :smile:

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Re: Amanita Muscaria pictures from WA.
    #67519 - 12/04/99 10:31 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Ya don't get mescaline from amanitas :smile:


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Re: Amanita Muscaria pictures from WA.
    #67520 - 12/04/99 10:42 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

The things u get of muscaria is muscarin, iboteic acid and some amanitoxins, I wouldnt recommend anyone eating those... or just eat one, a little one, dont chew it, swallow, u will have diarrea, and vomits. it is said that anyone who has eaten more than 5 of these has survived


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Re: Amanita Muscaria pictures from WA.
    #67521 - 12/04/99 11:07 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I wish I had A. Muscaria here in the east. I always find A. Muscaria. Var. Formosa, their still pretty to look at but nothing like the A. Muscarias. The real A. Muscaria has that blood red color like Ryche's pics, the ones I find are light red/orange. I wouldn't eat the Amanita either, to many bad stories. Nice find Ryche.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria pictures from WA.
    #67522 - 12/05/99 05:14 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

hehe....sign of a long night.....my fault....DOH!!!

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Re: Amanita Muscaria pictures from WA.
    #67523 - 12/05/99 11:22 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

The shamans of Siberia used to use the amanita muscaria to find the cures for ailments in the wild. To avoid poisoning, you have to prepare it a certain way, otherwise it will kill you.
Thats how the traditional santa clause suit etc came about.
The siberian shamans dressed in red and white to immitate the a.m., When the church moved into the area, they didn't want to people going to the shaman anymore.
The told "St. Nicholas" to dress as a shaman and poisen the people that would call for him.
The "christmas tree" symbolizes the pine trees that the amanitas grow under. The 'bag of toys' represent the sack of amanitas that the shaman would bring. Stockings, strings of am's drying over a fire. Bla bla bla, all this crap was backed up by some university in England... not sure which one though, anyway, just thought that might interest you guys.
But it all comes down to, if you prepare them right, your tripping, you don't... your dead.

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Re: Amanita Muscaria pictures from WA.
    #67524 - 12/05/99 11:24 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

People are and should be interested in this mushroom if they are interested in mushrooms of spiritual potential. These mushrooms have been used by several cultures for thousands of years so there must be something to it.

Ryche: Beautiful patch, there's a couple patches that size in my neighborhood. Wish I'd known you were coming up to WA, would have liked to meet ya.

To be honest though, It kinda pains me to see you selling off a shroom that grows all over here for so much. I can understand charging for spores, 'cause you worked for it- but wild shrooms are a gift- I think the price should refelct that.

Anyway- these are only good if prepared fresh in my opinion. I've had them dried and the experience was of little interest.

You don't EAT them. Just look up the A. Muscaria info on this site and others and you'll see plenty of ways to prepare them properly. The most talked about way I've been hearing about lately is heating them (fresh) on a grill or something and drinking the red "blood" that bubbles or runs out.

Sounds good- but I haven't tried it myself. This is not one of my mushroom allies, I'd thought. Perhaps I'll reconsider.

I don't pick 'em myself usually- just admire them. I did find a huge patch in Seattle one weekend that I picked and moved to another location to try and start a patch there. (Bury the stems next to a fir.)

If anybody wants some of these dried, Email me in spring. Most are gone for this year in my neighborhood, and I don't have time to go looking right now. (We have a new baby.)



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Re: Amanita Muscaria pictures from WA.
    #67525 - 12/06/99 04:33 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

mycofile quote : to avoid poison caps from stupid dealers." LAME !!!!

Wow.. look all the misunderstanding of this mushroom. I have a good friend in Denmark who has been picking and eating these for years..
Mj Shroomer tells me that Andrew Weil, who has written books and done lots of research on mushrooms...is a big fan of the amanita muscaria.. an I hear Stamats himself enjoys amanita tea. Lets see.. also at the Colorado Mushroom Festival this year.. there were lots of booths set up selling amanita muscaria tea.. and it was a hot seller.

JLF has been selling amanitas for years and years on their website.. for $65 for 30 grams. I thought $45 was a reasonable price.... but I'll even go down to $35 just so more ppl can try it.
Yes.. Mark from JLF says he likes them fresh cooked over a fire and get the red blood juice from them.. but most ppl prefer them dried and to make a tea out of them. This is the best way to make them with least amount of nasua.
This mushroom is not easy on the stomach for most... some ppl do tend to get nasua and some even vomit in the first hour.. then the ride begins. A friend of mine in Denmark who use to eat these quite frequently said after the nasua is gone.. the trip begins and last for about 8-10 hours and is extremely visual and colorful.
There is obvioulsly a lot to be said about this mushroom since Gordon Wasson did a lot research on its history and has basically proven this to be what the siberian shamans ate 4000 years ago and was called "Soma".

For those that would like some more info on this mushroom ... here is a great little site with lot of info on it.
Amanita Muscaria webpage by Micheal Smith

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Re: Amanita Muscaria pictures from WA.
    #67526 - 12/06/99 05:13 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I posted some stuff in the the general questions forum... under a post about Amanita Muscaria trips..
Take a look, it was my experience...
As for the ritualistic uses, still doing some research about that .......
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Re: Amanita Muscaria pictures from WA.
    #67527 - 12/08/99 05:43 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Ryche, when I read that again it did sound a little harsh. I certainly didn't mean to equate you with "stupid dealers". One of the main reasons that this page justifies it's existance is so that people can be assured that they don't get poisonous mushrooms from a dealer by growing their own. I mean, with so many varieties of the wonderful psilocybes that can be grown so easily these days, I just wonder why people would bother with the amanita. After all, who can deny the fact that they do indeed contain compounds that are almost universally labeled as poisons?
I understand a good deal of their history (hypothetical and factual) and can see their potential. Hell, I might even try them if I didn't have such wonderous fruits such as pan trops, pan cyans, multiple cubies, and azurescens to keep me busy. Perhaps someone can enlighten me. Is the experience worth it? Is it much different from the psilocybes? In what way? Or in other words why bother with poison mushrooms when safe magic mushrooms are so easily obtained?

Sorry, I'm not arguing anything, I'm really interested in this.
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Re: Amanita Muscaria pictures from WA.
    #67528 - 12/08/99 02:56 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

>>I just wonder why people would bother with the amanita

because curiousity drives the human mind. I don't mean to downplay psilocybes or anything, it's just that there are other things out there too. Fascinating substances. I'm pretty sure that if i tried amanita that I would prefer psilocybes over them, but I'd like to have that experience. If it ever came up, I'd be familiar with that experience. There are relatives of a. muscaria that look an awful lot alike (to the untrained eye) and are poisonous, and could be mistaken. But as with all drugs, it is important to do your research before hand. I am looking forward to someday trying DMT and salvia, and if ever possible 2C-B. Oh yeah, and mescaline, I really want to try that.

There are other plant and fungus spirits out there to have a symbiotic relationship with. And some synthetics are great, and drastic in effect, yet pretty safe if you are careful and able to control yourself.

There is so much out there to be explored, there is no need to limit oneself, just be intelligent...

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Re: Amanita Muscaria pictures from WA.
    #67529 - 12/10/99 02:34 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Sorry guys, sometimes I just come across as an ass. I don't mean to, but then I read my post later and..... well, you know.

Another Dimension, I understand your point. Well, lets not say that I'm going to limit myself. In fact the day after I have fully explored the psilocybe carriers, LSD, reefer, DMT (in all it's lovely variations), mescaline, MDMA, 2CB, perhaps a few other psychedlic amphetamines, hypnotics, disassociatives, and combinations of the above, I will move on to experiment with the Amanita.

But then again, if my unfounded paranoia against this most benevolent of life forms hasn't dissipated by then, I would probably just set myself up for one hell of a bad trip. :wink:

Sorry, i think I have inadvertantly helped lead this thread a little off-topic. The topic of this thread is that Ryche found some extremely beautiful mushrooms and is willing to share them with anybody interested. I for one would be interested in reading more "trip reports" from the amanita experiences. So, how about anybody who tries them (esp for the 1st time) you let us/me know how it goes.
Best of luck and god-bless.

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Re: Amanita Muscaria pictures from WA.
    #67530 - 12/10/99 03:07 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Ok.. no hard feeling mycofile.

I've been getting lots of emails from ppl that are into amanita's. One in paticular, from a guy who is very into amanita's, and his grandfather who has been eating them for years and taught him about them. If your reading this.. you know who you are..please post here about the amanitas.

Anyway.. he says for a first timer.. a better mellow dose would be 5-10 dried grams, and a 20 dried gram trip would be more appropriate for a hard trip. This sort of contradicts what my friends in Denmark who have eaten them many times say about a 30 gram trip is necessary if you really want a full on visual hard trip. Then again he likes hard trips as I do. I think I'm going to start off with a 15-20 gram trip and see how it goes from there. Already have a trip planned to the deserts of southern AZ in january with a good friend who is always up for a spiritual mushroom adventure. We are definatly going to take the tea route when preparing them.

I also got a report from a friend of a good friend that was with me when we discovered these. He showed my friend a postcard from 1978 that mjshrooomer had made with amanita muscaria on them, and the other side had ingestion instructions on them. A real colletors item there. This friend also said he use to dose on amantia's back in the 70's quite often and always had pleasurable trips.

Anyway...I'll keep the price down so more ppl can afford them and enjoy them. And I didn't get them for free.. this was an expensive trip flying to WA :smile:
JLF is selling these at $65 for 30 dried grams.. pretty rediculous. But perhaps if I keep prices down he'll lower his :smile:..

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Re: Amanita Muscaria pictures from WA.
    #67531 - 12/11/99 03:52 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

How about their flavor?

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Re: Amanita Muscaria pictures from WA.
    #67532 - 12/11/99 06:08 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

This summer I went back on vacation, to my native country in austria. A friend brought along a huge trashbag of shrooms from some forest in the alps, amongst them were some amanitas, cause I told him I would love to try them. We were unsure on how to prepare them, and also a little scared. When i was kid, roaming around the forests I always saw this mushroom, and it always evoke curiosity in me.
We had a book wich said the newest "american way" of using these, was to peel the skin of them, put them in the oven, dry them, and roll kind of a joint...well that's what we did, after smoking 4-5 joints, and waiting an hour, we decided to have a beer instead....the only thing that we felt was a kind of smoke poisening, so we did not have many cigarretts that night....and felt no affect at all! In the book there was another way, wich said, just to eat 4-5 fresh medium sized amanitas (about 4"tall, including the white dots), wich seemded like an awfull lot to us...(that would mean eating all these shrooms on the picture!!) I wish someone who is experianced with this kind of specie would write a f.a.q.
on how to use them.I am convinced it's one of the best trips to have....

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Re: Amanita Muscaria pictures from WA.
    #67533 - 12/11/99 11:43 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Brutimperial: so the trip after you ate them was quite enjoyable then? Also.. there is a lot of info on amanitas on the above link I posted on Micheal Smiths Amanita page.

Mycofile:
There are a lot of books such as All That the Rain Promises and More by Daid Arura that talk a lot about amanitas and recipes for them.
I personally have tried one variety, the false ceaser, which grow all over where we camp in N. AZ. I think they call it the false ceaser because it looks like the amanita muscaria that are hallucinagenic, but there not. But.. they were damn delicous. We sliced them up.. then cooked them in a pan over an open campfire, with beer and peppermint shnapps. Kind of boiled them in the liquid for about 20 minutes. They were absolutly delicous !!!! Tasted very sweet...almost like an orange liquor or glazed orange candy... very tasty. We thought we had found the right ones, but the stems were more of a yellowish color, as with the amanita muscaria as posted above.. there bright white. But from what I've read in books, the poisonous ones do not grow in the red, orange and yellow colors. I believe it was white and brown ones that are deadly.
I'll have to get that book back from my friend I loaned it to and do some reading on them again.

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