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Pot better for you then Liquor? Who knew!!!
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This is interesting!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17760130/

LONDON - New "landmark" research finds that alcohol and tobacco are more dangerous than some illegal drugs like marijuana or Ecstasy and should be classified as such in legal systems, according to a new British study.

In research published Friday in The Lancet magazine, Professor David Nutt of Britain's Bristol University and colleagues proposed a new framework for the classification of harmful substances, based on the actual risks posed to society. Their ranking listed alcohol and tobacco among the top 10 most dangerous substances.

Nutt and colleagues used three factors to determine the harm associated with any drug: the physical harm to the user, the drug's potential for addiction and the impact on society of drug use. The researchers asked two groups of experts — psychiatrists specializing in addiction and legal or police officials with scientific or medical expertise — to assign scores to 20 different drugs, including heroin, cocaine, Ecstasy, amphetamines and LSD.
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Nutt and his colleagues then calculated the drugs' overall rankings. In the end, the experts agreed with each other — but not with the existing British classification of dangerous substances.


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Heroin and cocaine were ranked most dangerous, followed by barbiturates and street methadone. Alcohol was the fifth-most harmful drug and tobacco the ninth most harmful. Cannabis came in 11th, and near the bottom of the list was Ecstasy.

‘Current drug system is ill thought-out’
According to existing British and U.S. drug policy, alcohol and tobacco are legal, while cannabis and Ecstasy are both illegal. Previous reports, including a study from a parliamentary committee last year, have questioned the scientific rationale for Britain's drug classification system.

"The current drug system is ill thought-out and arbitrary," said Nutt, referring to the United Kingdom's practice of assigning drugs to three distinct divisions, ostensibly based on the drugs' potential for harm. "The exclusion of alcohol and tobacco from the Misuse of Drugs Act is, from a scientific perspective, arbitrary," write Nutt and his colleagues in The Lancet.

Most dangerous drugs

Research recently published in the medical journal The Lancet rates the most dangerous drugs (starting with the worst) as follows:
1. Heroin
2. Cocaine
3. Barbiturates
4. Street methadone
5. Alcohol
6. Ketamine
7. Benzodiazepines
8. Amphetamine
9. Tobacco
10. Buprenorphine
11. Cannabis
12. Solvents
13. 4-MTA
14. LSD
15. Methylphenidate
16. Anabolic steroids
17. GHB
18. Ecstasy
19. Alkyl nitrates
20. Khat

Source: The Lancet
Tobacco causes 40 percent of all hospital illnesses, while alcohol is blamed for more than half of all visits to hospital emergency rooms. The substances also harm society in other ways, damaging families and occupying police services.

Nutt hopes that the research will provoke debate within the UK and beyond about how drugs — including socially acceptable drugs such as alcohol — should be regulated. While different countries use different markers to classify dangerous drugs, none use a system like the one proposed by Nutt's study, which he hopes could serve as a framework for international authorities.

"This is a landmark paper," said Dr. Leslie Iversen, professor of pharmacology at Oxford University. Iversen was not connected to the research. "It is the first real step towards an evidence-based classification of drugs." He added that based on the paper's results, alcohol and tobacco could not reasonably be excluded.

"The rankings also suggest the need for better regulation of the more harmful drugs that are currently legal, i.e. tobacco and alcohol," wrote Wayne Hall, of the University of Queensland in Brisbane, Australia, in an accompanying Lancet commentary. Hall was not involved with Nutt's paper.

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While experts agreed that criminalizing alcohol and tobacco would be challenging, they said that governments should review the penalties imposed for drug abuse and try to make them more reflective of the actual risks and damages involved.

Nutt called for more education so that people were aware of the risks of various drugs. "All drugs are dangerous," he said. "Even the ones people know and love and use every day."

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Re: Pot better for you then Liquor? Who knew!!! [Re: Abbey_Road]
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who knew!!


pfft...how about every pothead since the dawn of time  :rolleyes:


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Re: Pot better for you then Liquor? Who knew!!! [Re: Abbey_Road]
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lsd higher than x?

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Re: Pot better for you then Liquor? Who knew!!! [Re: anonymous123]
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dunnen said:
lsd higher than x?


That struck me as odd, too. I'd like to hear their reasoning on that one.

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Re: Pot better for you then Liquor? Who knew!!! [Re: DNKYD]
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DNKYD said:
dunnen said:
lsd higher than x?


That struck me as odd, too. I'd like to hear their reasoning on that one.


Risk of harming oneself while tripping balls, possibly?

If they are considering X pure MDMA it is a very safe drug.


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Re: Pot better for you then Liquor? Who knew!!! [Re: aelephant]
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aelephant said:
DNKYD said:
dunnen said:
lsd higher than x?


That struck me as odd, too. I'd like to hear their reasoning on that one.


Risk of harming oneself while tripping balls, possibly?

If they are considering X pure MDMA it is a very safe drug.


But whenever one uses the term "Ecstasy" , usually they mean the tablet form which can contain anything.

I've seen that list before and they account for general impact on society, which means arrests, ER visits, deaths, rehab instances... etc.

It's an all encompassing list. I don't necessarily agree with how they calculate the list, in fact I wish they would give us the formulation they would use to rank those drugs.

But that list has been out for the past month. I hope someone can get in contact with the editor and journalist responsible to find out their reasoning and formulation for the rankings on that list.


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Re: Pot better for you then Liquor? Who knew!!! [Re: WakeboardrB]
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Yes, this story has been in the Shroomery News forum for awhile now, as British individuals caught it in the first place. I just noticed it was on MSN's website a few moments ago, and read through their story on it. I love how they presented it to Americans - its like the truth, sceaming out, no propaganda involved. Clearly no one will want alcohol criminalized in the same manner as marijuana, so what does that mean we should do with marijuana? Legalize it. :grin:

Also, this quote wasn't in the British story on this piece, and I find it very interesting:

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Tobacco causes 40 percent of all hospital illnesses, while alcohol is blamed for more than half of all visits to hospital emergency rooms. The substances also harm society in other ways, damaging families and occupying police services.



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I wouldn't fear
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Re: Pot better for you then Liquor? Who knew!!! [Re: DNKYD]
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"Nutt and colleagues used three factors to determine the harm associated with any drug: the physical harm to the user, the drug's potential for addiction and the impact on society of drug use."

Perhaps LSD has greater potential for impact on society rather than ecstacy, ie. The 1960's-70's


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Re: Pot better for you then Liquor? Who knew!!! [Re: Abbey_Road]
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When they say "solvents" do they mean huffing? Like paint thinner and rubber cement?

If so, theres no way that is less harmful than cannabis.


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Re: Pot better for you then Liquor? Who knew!!! [Re: Wasteland]
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They could be implying that it doesn't really pose much risk in that not very many people would ever feel compelled to use them. :shrug:


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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
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Re: Pot better for you then Liquor? Who knew!!! [Re: Abbey_Road]
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Who knew!!!


I did.

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Re: Pot better for you then Liquor? Who knew!!! [Re: freezepooter]
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freezepooter said:
Perhaps LSD has greater potential for impact on society rather than ecstacy, ie. The 1960's-70's


good call

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Re: Pot better for you then Liquor? Who knew!!! [Re: Abbey_Road]
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OMG! Finally, an unbiased report that presents something remotely close to the truth! I hate propaganda.

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Re: Pot better for you then Liquor? Who knew!!! [Re: vigilant_mind]
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I went to their survey of which drug proves the most risk to society.... here are the results
10,000 people polled

Heroin 13%
Cocaine 7.2%
Alcohol 35%
Marijuana 1%
Ecstasy 0.7%
Tobacco 18%
LSD 0.4%
Methamphetamine 24%
Other 1.3%


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Re: Pot better for you then Liquor? Who knew!!! [Re: anonymous123]
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dunnen said:
lsd higher than x?


Well, I've personally had more harm come to me from LSD than X(never had a roll send me to the hospital), but it's also been more beneficial.


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Re: Pot better for you then Liquor? Who knew!!! [Re: apfrommsp]
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apfrommsp said:
I went to their survey of which drug proves the most risk to society.... here are the results
10,000 people polled

Heroin 13%
Cocaine 7.2%
Alcohol 35%
Marijuana 1%
Ecstasy 0.7%
Tobacco 18%
LSD 0.4%
Methamphetamine 24%
Other 1.3%


LOL@1% MJ


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Re: Pot better for you then Liquor? Who knew!!! [Re: Abbey_Road]
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Cannabis higher than Solvents!!!? :what:


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Abbey_Road said:
Pot better for you then Liquor? Who knew!!!


I did!


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