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Mom found out I use Ecstasy
    #3618393 - 01/12/05 04:05 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

She just emailed me and told me that my Dad told her.
She says that she supports the "gypsy-mode" that I am in, but she is "absolutely against" drugs.
I love my mom and all but this is coming from a lady who is on Paxil and has been on Prozac in the past.
I am formulating an argument that will hopefully annihilate her biased opinions & assumptions on the subject. I am so tired of ignorance reigning supreme in this country.

Any ideas or help would be appreciated and maybe incorporated.  :crazy:


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Re: Mom found out I use Ecstasy [Re: Adamist]
    #3618414 - 01/12/05 04:08 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Lots of good info here;

http://www.ecstasypillbox.com


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Re: Mom found out I use Ecstasy [Re: Adamist]
    #3618415 - 01/12/05 04:08 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)



3,4-METHYLENEDIOXY-N-METHYLAMPHETAMINE

IMPORTANT NOTE: This information is a BRIEF SUMMARY of the complete safety information available for this product and should not be used as a basis for prescription or non-prescription use of MDMA. The physician and patient should be thoroughly familiar with the complete safety and risk information before beginning use.

Dosage: 100-150 mg/oral

Duration: 30-60 minutes to onset; 2-3 hour plateau; 4-6 hours to baseline

Effects: Ego softening; neurotically based fear dissolution; feelings of emotionally based love and empathy; facilitation of in-depth communication and emotional bonding; heightened present moment awareness; heightened reaction to pleasurable sensory stimulus; that blissed-out "warm all over" feeling of inner peace and spiritual well being.

Side effects: Appetite loss; CNS stimulation; mild to intense trismus (jaw clenching/teeth grinding); mild to moderate post-session fatigue; nystagmus (lateral eye wiggle); agitation; restlessness; nervousness; nausea; shivering or tremor.

Contraindications: Concurrent use of stimulants or MAO inhibitors. Heart irregularities, glaucoma, hypertension, aneurysm or stroke history, hepatic or renal disorders, diabetes or hypoglycemia.

WARNINGS

1. Serotonin Depletion: Laboratory research with rats and non human primates has shown that high doses of MDMA cause long term reductions in serotonin and serotonin-specific receptor sites, when not co-administered with specific inhibitory chemicals (such as fluoxetine). Patients should limit their maximum dose & frequency, stay hydrated, and talk to their doctor about co-administration of toxicity-blocking agents.

PRECAUTIONS

1. General: MDMA is a strong stimulant and is taxing both physically and mentally. MDMA should be used only by generally healthy individuals. Patients with heart, liver, or kidney dysfunction should not take MDMA.

2. Liver P450 2D6 Metabolism: Less than 10% of the general population have reduced MDMA metabolism efficiency due to below average production of the P450 2D6 enzyme. Patients with a slow metabolism or who currently take other P450-2D6 occupying drugs require much smaller doses and should consult with their physicians before ingestion.

3. Increased Heart Rate and Blood Pressure:MDMA can cause substantial increases in blood pressure and heart rate during the first 5 hours after ingestion. Patients with high-blood pressure and/or heart irregularities should consult a physician before taking MDMA.

4. Body Temperature: Small to large increases in body temperature are common during the first 5 hours after ingestion. Because most users feel very peaceful during this period they often forget to drink water and remain cool, increasing their risk of hyperthermia.

5. Pediratric Use: Safety and efficacy of MDMA for the treatment of depression, anxiety, or boredom have not been established.

6. Pregnancy & Nursing Mothers: Pregnant and nursing mothers should not ingest MDMA.

7. Overdoseage: Serious ill effects have been reported from acute ingestion of large doses of MDMA. Overdoseage may result in blackouts, vomiting, dizziness, headache, increased risk of long term serotonin depletion, hyperthermia, serotonin syndrome, increased hangover, and other negative effects.

8. Emotional Disorders: Patients with a history of depression, psychosis, anxiety disorder, or other emotional disorders should be carefully observed and the drug discontinued if the disorders recur to a serious degree.

9. Psychosocial Entanglement: Due to MDMA's ability to break down normal social and cultural barriers frequent users may notice occasional inappropriate and/or unexpected emotional-bond imprinting with other MDMA users in a group setting. Psychosocial entanglements forged in an MDMA session may last for many months after the initial session and could potentially lead to quasi-permanent codependent relationships such as domestic cohabitation and marriage.

Adverse Effects
The following is a representation of patients with adverse events in MDMA (80-125mg) vs. Inactive Placebo dosings.*

Adverse Event MDMA(%) Placebo(%)
Abdominal Pain 5 20
Back Pain 13 10
Heart Palpitation 8 27
Trismus 85 4
Nystagmus 50 5
Heightened Feelings of Empathy 90 3
Life Changing Spiritual Experience 30 1
Vomiting 15 2
Increased Anxiety 30 10
Increased Perspiration 20 5
Uncontrollable Smiling 75 4
Hangover 40 3
Passing Out 4 0
Dizziness 40 10
Euphoria 90 10
Confusion 20 2
Memory Disruption 26 1

Estimates of Mortality from MDMA use: Less than one death per million uses of MDMA in the US in 1999, based on estimate from the National Household Survey (SAMSHA) and the Monitoring the Future (NIDA) study. Estimating more than 10 million MDMA dose sessions in 1999 with less than 10 MDMA-only deaths. Increase in risk of mortality is likely with age and contemporaneous ingestion of contraindicated medications.

Notes on Dose and Usage in a Clinical Setting:In clinical settings it is common procedure to provide a supplemental dosage of 40-60 milligrams near the one and a half hour point in a session. This supplement typically extends the desired effects for an additional hour with only modest exacerbation of normal side-effects. Additional supplements after the two and a half hour point were rarely found to be clinically productive or emotionally useful.

Notes on Judgment while on MDMA: It is possible to make bad decisions while on MDMA, particularly with regards to having sex with people who you will later regret having sex with. You may also say things to people you'd later wish to retract, act in an obnoxiously touchy-feely manner, or choose to take your last 6 MDMA tablets over the course of an entire evening. These are all bad choices even though they may seem perfectly normal while on MDMA. Of course bad choices for a given person can be good choices for another person. Suggesting that spontaneity should be suppressed while taking MDMA tends to defeat the purpose of taking MDMA, but there is a line between MDMA-facilitated social experimentation and outright recklessness. It is good to think about your limits before ingestion and to stick to those limits while under the influence.

IMPORTANT WARNING: Despite MDMA's powerfully positive clinical effects, possession of this medication without licensing from the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration can result in severe criminal penalties, including (but not limited to) physical harm incidental to arrest; destruction of personal property incident to arrest; seizure of all cash or valuable assets in your possession at time of arrest; warrantless seizure of your automobile, home, and computer equipment; court-approved public humiliation; supervised urination; lengthy or permanent incarceration in prisons designated by Amnesty International to be in violation of international humane treatment treaties; loss of employment.

Is MDMA right for you? Ask you doctor, or seek further information on your own.

MDMA Resources:
http://www.erowid.org/mdma
http://www.alchemind.org/mdma.html
http://www.dancesafe.org
http://www.maps.org

*MDMA Adverse Event percents are based on informal surveys of users. Placebo Adverse Events are based on placebo trials for other nationally advertised pharmaceuticals.


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Re: Mom found out I use Ecstasy [Re: Adamist]
    #3618425 - 01/12/05 04:09 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Ecstacy Rising would be a pretty good documentary to show her.

http://www.maps.org/avarchive/er/


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Re: Mom found out I use Ecstasy [Re: Adamist]
    #3618470 - 01/12/05 04:16 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Moms will be Moms. She is concerned for your well-being(physical/mental). Time will resolve this hopefully.


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Re: Mom found out I use Ecstasy [Re: Adamist]
    #3618514 - 01/12/05 04:22 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Erowid.


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Re: Mom found out I use Ecstasy [Re: Phluck]
    #3618587 - 01/12/05 04:34 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Well, she has a right to be worried, that stuff is no good if you do it too much.


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Re: Mom found out I use Ecstasy [Re: Phluck]
    #3618614 - 01/12/05 04:38 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Offer to do it with her. When I told my parents I did drugs (weed, shrooms, and MDMA) I offered to do it with them. The fact that your kid wants to do drugs with you weirds you out so much that you forget to be mad.

But in all seriousness just be open and honest with your mom and completely research everything that you do. That's the key to a good and positive relationship with parents involving this stuff. I don't know how old you are (you seem to be an adult if you're out of the house) but I have been advocating since high school to anyone who will listen that if you just tell your parents that you're doing drugs and you're open and honest about it, for the most part you won't get in trouble and your relationship with your parents will improve. I mean how could you get in trouble for something your parents know you are doing? That's what most kids don't understand is that when they get caught, they're getting in trouble for sneaking around behind their parents back more than anything... usually.

I totally acknowledge that there's the odd psychotic parent who has no concept of reality. However, in this case it sounds like your parents are pretty decent people.


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Re: Mom found out I use Ecstasy [Re: Cubieman420]
    #3618632 - 01/12/05 04:40 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

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Well, she has a right to be worried, that stuff is no good if you do it too much.




Too much of anything is not good for you.


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Re: Mom found out I use Ecstasy [Re: Cubieman420]
    #3618701 - 01/12/05 04:47 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Cubieman420 said:
Well, she has a right to be worried, that stuff is no good if you do it too much.




LOL, she takes Paxil way more frequently than I take anything, much less MDMA. Also, she watches TV EVERYday. Ever seen Requiem for a Dream?


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Re: Mom found out I use Ecstasy [Re: StrandedVoyager]
    #3618712 - 01/12/05 04:49 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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Offer to do it with her.



I've already done it with my Dad once, and he loved it. I can't believe he told her, oh well... he's a schizophrenic Gemini what can ya do? :shrug:

I'll offer it to my mom one day, after we have debated it out and I know her position. I am still awaiting her reply.


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Re: Mom found out I use Ecstasy [Re: Adamist]
    #3618726 - 01/12/05 04:51 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Is telling her to shut the fuck up and let you lead YOUR life the way that YOU want to out of the question?


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Re: Mom found out I use Ecstasy [Re: SoopaX]
    #3618752 - 01/12/05 04:56 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Well I respect her opinion so no, that's only a last resort. My mom and I have a good relationship and I like her to understand where I'm coming from.


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Re: Mom found out I use Ecstasy [Re: Adamist]
    #3618760 - 01/12/05 04:58 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Here is what I sent her:

First off, let me just say that my Dad is a hypocrite, and more confused than I'll ever be.

Now on the subject of Ecstasy... Yes I have used it, and every now and then I still do, but that's my choice, because I don't let the government tell me what is OK and what's not. I believe that I can make that decision better than them. So the government tells you that Prozac or Paxil is "OK" but MDMA(ecstasy) isn't? That's respectable, obiding by the law, but if we let the law tell us what to do all the time then we will LOSE OUR RIGHTS fast. If the words 'life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness' don't include the right to experiment with your own consciousness, then the Declaration of Independence isn't worth the hemp it was written on.

And about the lies that the government spreads about Ecstasy causing long-term brain damage... the "studies" done were funded by the government and provided false "results". There have been many independent studies done that show llittle to no damage done. Thank god for the internet, which provides us with more information than just what they tell you in school. I have done plenty of research before I even tried drugs, so don't worry about me. And if you're worried about me being arrested, it won't happen, because I don't sell anything, and I don't carry more with me that I can't get rid of if I need to.

I have many opinions on this subject so if you want to debate it sometime feel free to do so... I'd like to have you see things from my point of view if possible.

And here's some links I would like you to read when you have time...

http://www.dancesafe.org/parents/adf.php#world
http://www.dancesafe.org/articles/par20010715_UK_mom_speaks.php
http://www.maps.org/avarchive/er/


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Re: Mom found out I use Ecstasy [Re: Adamist]
    #3618766 - 01/12/05 04:59 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Well... I've done my good deed for the day. :crazy:


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Re: Mom found out I use Ecstasy [Re: Adamist]
    #3618783 - 01/12/05 05:02 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Hahahah, oh man.


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Re: Mom found out I use Ecstasy [Re: HeavyToilet]
    #3618814 - 01/12/05 05:09 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

...Wow...

Many people beat around the bush or try to bite off little corners... but you my friend went right for the jugular.  :biggrin:


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Re: Mom found out I use Ecstasy [Re: StrandedVoyager]
    #3618836 - 01/12/05 05:16 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

It's a good thing I'm 1000 miles away... :grin:

I love how I can formulate things in a reasonable fashion through the internet. :thumbup: If only I could translate such efficiency into RL encounters.


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Re: Mom found out I use Ecstasy [Re: Adamist]
    #3618941 - 01/12/05 05:39 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

yeah typing and talking are two different beasts.

but at least you have one down very well.

i commend your attitude sir :smile:


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Re: Mom found out I use Ecstasy [Re: Adamist]
    #3618985 - 01/12/05 05:48 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I'll trade you ecstacy for your mom's paxil.


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