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The Artistic Impulse
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A recent debate about tattoos got me thinking about humankind's impulse to decorate themselves and their surroundings. the archeological record indicates that it is this aspect of our nature that set us apart from our Neanderthal relatives. It isn't quite clear what evolutionary advantage this provided us, but perhaps it is an outward manifestation of the real advantage: symbolic thought. Our ability to abstract meaning from pictures, symbols, and sounds opened the floodgates to a higher level of communication than was ever possible before. Language and art seem to be two aspects of the same thing. Along with language, it seems that religion is also a development in symbolic thought. Mythology is full of archetypes that symbolize something deep within us. I contend that it is symbolic thought that makes us truly human. It gives us the capacity to understand ourselves and our world in ways that no other animal can.


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Re: The Artistic Impulse [Re: Silversoul]
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maybe it was the neanderthal that did all the painting.
those racial distinctions are not clear and might best be even more blurred we are well mixed now.


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Re: The Artistic Impulse [Re: redgreenvines]
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Neanderthals were a separate species, not a race.


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Re: The Artistic Impulse [Re: Silversoul]
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even chimps finger paint.

cuttlefish vs peacocks. go find the difference.

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Re: The Artistic Impulse [Re: SneezingPenis]
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also, symbolism is not proprietary to homo sapiens.

tattoos are more like a cat making its fur stand on edge to give the appearance of being bigger.

there is nothing deep and/or mystical about getting inked, no matter how many ways you want to try and justify such attention whoring.

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Re: The Artistic Impulse [Re: Silversoul]
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Silversoul said:
Neanderthals were a separate species, not a race.


A debate is raging among anthropologists over whether and how much our ancestors mated with Neanderthals. The hominids with the large brows and ultra-muscular bodies were once thought to be a forerunner of modern man, then a separate species of humans who developed independently and died out as humans spread into Europe....

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2005/06/19/INGEOD8LBB1.DTL



With scant fossil records, and no consensus on DNA data, anthropologists are left with an incomplete puzzle. Where the evidence ends, however, some scientists use their gut knowledge of human behavior.

Fred Smith, an anthropologist at Loyola University of Chicago who believes early humans and Neanderthals mated, says: "They would have looked just about the same to each other. If there's one thing we know about humans, they're going to have sex with each other. A slight difference in appearance won't stop them."



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Re: The Artistic Impulse [Re: Silversoul]
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There is a time to bring ones' inner concepts to the outside and there is a time to work on one's inner concepts themselves, also by input from the outside.
Inner concepts brought to the outside can stabilize the concepts as well by this feedback mechanism.

I think it is interesting if two inner concepts from two persons can be brought to discussion by externalisation.

[damned riddle-speak today :grin:]


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Re: The Artistic Impulse [Re: BlueCoyote]
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you are describing how intermingling leaves interesting marks on our cave walls?


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Re: The Artistic Impulse [Re: SneezingPenis]
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psilocyberin said:
tattoos are more like a cat making its fur stand on edge to give the appearance of being bigger.


:whatever:

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there is nothing deep and/or mystical about getting inked, no matter how many ways you want to try and justify such attention whoring.


It is true that there is nothing inherently mystical about, although it certainly can serve such a purpose.  There are as many reasons for getting tattoos are there are people who get them, but the underlying theme behind them is the artistic impulse.  What you ignorantly call "attention whoring" here is the purpose behind all art: to convey convey ideas, emotions, or simple beauty.


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Re: The Artistic Impulse [Re: SneezingPenis]
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psilocyberin said:
even chimps finger paint.

cuttlefish vs peacocks. go find the difference.


Obviously the artistic impulse did not just come from nowhere, but our ability to think symbolically is advanced to such a degree that we can create new symbols and even entire languages. BTW, do you think chimps attach any meaning to their finger painting?


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Re: The Artistic Impulse [Re: BlueCoyote]
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BlueCoyote said:
There is a time to bring ones' inner concepts to the outside and there is a time to work on one's inner concepts themselves, also by input from the outside.
Inner concepts brought to the outside can stabilize the concepts as well by this feedback mechanism.

I think it is interesting if two inner concepts from two persons can be brought to discussion by externalisation.

[damned riddle-speak today :grin:]


Someone gets it. :thumbup:


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Re: The Artistic Impulse [Re: Silversoul]
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Silversoul said:
BTW, do you think chimps attach any meaning to their finger painting?


Yes, most likely.


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Re: The Artistic Impulse [Re: fireworks_god]
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Fair enough. The main purpose of the thread was not to point out how humans are different from other animals, but rather to explore the mystery of art and symbolism, and what meaning they have for us.


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Re: The Artistic Impulse [Re: Silversoul]
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I know that. :grin:


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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: The Artistic Impulse [Re: Silversoul]
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Silversoul said:
Fair enough.  The main purpose of the thread was not to point out how humans are different from other animals, but rather to explore the mystery of art and symbolism, and what meaning they have for us.


I thought it was about "attention whoring" :rofl2:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: The Artistic Impulse [Re: redgreenvines]
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redgreenvines said:
you are describing how intermingling leaves interesting marks on our cave walls?


Yes, and how they were brought out of the cave :smile:


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Though lovers be lost love shall not  And death shall have no dominion
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"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'

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