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raytrace
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Who is the Artist?
#5237480 - 01/29/06 02:41 AM (18 years, 3 days ago) |
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the creator or the viewer?
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Re: Who is the Artist? [Re: raytrace]
#5237483 - 01/29/06 02:42 AM (18 years, 3 days ago) |
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Re: Who is the Artist? [Re: RESTLESS]
#5237596 - 01/29/06 04:19 AM (18 years, 3 days ago) |
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Re: Who is the Artist? [Re: raytrace]
#5237598 - 01/29/06 04:22 AM (18 years, 3 days ago) |
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The creator. But with art, often the burden of creativity is left upon the viewer...
In either case, it is the creator.
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Re: Who is the Artist? [Re: Rose]
#5237607 - 01/29/06 04:42 AM (18 years, 3 days ago) |
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- when is it that viewing becomes not a creative act?
and similarly
- when is it that creating becomes more than a viewing art?
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Re: Who is the Artist? [Re: raytrace]
#5237613 - 01/29/06 04:56 AM (18 years, 3 days ago) |
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Q When is it that viewing becomes not a creative act?
A Until it is interupted by thought, viewing is not creative at all, it is simply sight.
Q When is it that creating becomes more than a viewing art?
A When it is an expressive or physical... rather than visual art.... for starters... another example... sex = babies
Q Who is the aristt?
A in the form of a Q God?
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Re: Who is the Artist? [Re: raytrace]
#5237627 - 01/29/06 05:14 AM (18 years, 3 days ago) |
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While viewing, many creative thoughts will build up, which will help you createing.
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Re: Who is the Artist? [Re: Rose]
#5237633 - 01/29/06 05:31 AM (18 years, 3 days ago) |
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I?m not heavily into arguing definitions, so lets say that ?viewing? is not mere sight but implies an inherent recognition of conceptual entities.
The distribution of entities inside the field of sight as well as the relations between them is in itself a creative act (as long as these are not inherited by a previous viewer).
Therefore I would venture to say that a personal (not shared with others) view of anything is creative.
On the other hand, my contention is that any physical act deprived of a ?viewer? is not creative as it is mere ?sight?.
Does anything I?ve said so far make sense?
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Re: Who is the Artist? [Re: BlueCoyote]
#5237637 - 01/29/06 05:41 AM (18 years, 3 days ago) |
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so what exactly is a creative thought?
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Re: Who is the Artist? [Re: raytrace]
#5237639 - 01/29/06 05:44 AM (18 years, 3 days ago) |
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Does anything I?ve said so far make sense? absolutely !
Pure 'seeing' might not even include 'recognition' itself
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Re: Who is the Artist? [Re: raytrace]
#5237640 - 01/29/06 05:50 AM (18 years, 3 days ago) |
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Quote:
raytrace said: so what exactly is a creative thought?
As far as we get beyond 'pure seeing', the first step of viewing is to build patterns. That maybe might be the beginning of recognition. The visual field is almost completely plastered with visual concepts, shown as patterns. That is for building up attention, which includes a filtering process. These patterns get to fit into (subjective) concepts, who were associated allover the mind itself in own patternareas and concept-areas. If the patterns resonate, then full recognition has happened.
It is embedded in the context of the intent of attention, which builds up subjectively inside or around the mind or ego, what leads to the creativity of thought...
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Re: Who is the Artist? [Re: raytrace]
#5237682 - 01/29/06 07:05 AM (18 years, 3 days ago) |
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definately a viewer
light and sound were here first.
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Re: Who is the Artist? [Re: raytrace]
#5237753 - 01/29/06 08:10 AM (18 years, 3 days ago) |
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By a process that is infused with inspiration & applied to unearth a relationship that was already there the artist becomes the representative, the assistant or agent of something fundamental, through which the art emerges.
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Who, as the Artist!? [Re: raytrace]
#5237875 - 01/29/06 09:08 AM (18 years, 3 days ago) |
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are you the one telling and/or the one being told?
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Re: Who is the Artist? [Re: raytrace]
#5237883 - 01/29/06 09:10 AM (18 years, 3 days ago) |
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Quote:
raytrace said: - when is it that viewing becomes not a creative act?
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The creator is the viewer.
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Sight is not the only sense.
A perfume maker creates scents.
Often an observer lacks creativity.
Imagination is different than vision.
-------------------- Fiddlesticks.
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Re: Who is the Artist? [Re: Rose]
#5239584 - 01/29/06 06:39 PM (18 years, 2 days ago) |
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1. Must the experience of art be a conscious activity? Maybe art could have an effect on someone without them consciously experiencing it.
2. Can art be made without intention? The viewer could perhaps stumble upon something someone made and designate it as art.
3. To be considered art, must it be made by a conscious entity? Perhaps one could look at a waterfall and experience art.
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Re: Who is the Artist? [Re: Sclorch]
#5239713 - 01/29/06 07:07 PM (18 years, 2 days ago) |
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Artistic = Creativity = Imagination
-------------------- Fiddlesticks.
Edited by Rose (01/31/06 03:23 AM)
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Re: Who is the Artist? [Re: Rose]
#5239824 - 01/29/06 07:36 PM (18 years, 2 days ago) |
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This reminds me of overhearing a bunch of high school freshmen in an art survey class arguing over whether or not the famous Dada work "The Fountain" is art [it's a urinal on its back]. A small group of kids were adamant that it wasn't art, everyone else said it was. Mostly it was just stupid and funny, listening to freshmen argue, but what I realized is that to those for whom it isn't art, it just isn't; and to those for whom it is, it just is; so the urinal itself doesn't matter in the end.
Conclusion: viewer
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