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Re: Why Cant We Terra-form Mars? [Re: sirbojangles]
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How do you terraform gravity?

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Re: Why Cant We Terra-form Mars? [Re: funnybunny]
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funnybunny said:
How do you terraform gravity?



Hmm well a good place to start is what is gravity?

I have been asking this question for along time, and not many people have come up with satisfactory answers. Heres an idea thought, on the forefront of theoretical physics:

Gravity is a curve in space time, and because of this curve, larger objects attract things to it. Imagine a bowling ball on a rubber mat suspended in air. The ball causes the mat (which represents space time) to curve. Now place a smaller object on the same mat, such as a pin, the pin rolls towards the bowling ball, no?

This is one theory of what gravity is (very very very simplified).

Now, just because mars doesn't have an atmosphere doesn't mean it doesn't have gravity, however, mars is smaller than the earth, so there will be a smaller downwards force acting upon objects on it.

Mars' gravity is about 3.8ms^-2 which is about a 1/3rd of the earths.

As for creating gravity.. well there are several hypothesized ways:
You could spin the object in question to such a degree it creates a centrifugal motion, creating gravity (I don't think that would work on a planetary scale)

Accelerating the object.. similar to the above "forcing the objects inside the vessel to go in the opposite direction of acceleration"

Or Creating a superdense core, to 'weigh' (I use the term loosely) the object down.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_gravity

I don't think this is going to happen any time soon though :grin:


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Re: Why Cant We Terra-form Mars? [Re: Cepheus]
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Does time change when things get closer to denser objects/objects with more gravity?Does the passage of time speed up the closer you get to something like a blackhole or a white dwarf?I guess its all in the concept of what time is and if it is linear,circular,non existant or what.

Is light affected by gravity or as you put it,this bend/curve in space and time?I assume so.I have not taken any college physics classes though.

Your simplified explanation of gravity intrigued me.


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Re: Why Cant We Terra-form Mars? [Re: aNeway2sayHooray]
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There are many theories, but none is yet applicable.


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Re: Why Cant We Terra-form Mars? [Re: Colonel Kurtz Ph.D]
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It will take hundreds of years for this to happen.

Humanity at this point does not have the will to do something like this.

If we make it to a type I or II civilization perhaps...

We're type 0 right now.

As for the black hole, doesn't time become infinity at the singularity? I don't know anything about this sorry...


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Re: Why Cant We Terra-form Mars? [Re: aNeway2sayHooray]
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aNeway2sayHooray said:
Does time change when things get closer to denser objects/objects with more gravity?Does the passage of time speed up the closer you get to something like a blackhole or a white dwarf?I guess its all in the concept of what time is and if it is linear,circular,non existant or what.



The passage of time is affected by gravity or the presence of a mass, but it does not speed up - it slows down. This effect has been experimentally proven by measuring the time difference between the bottom of a skyscraper to the top.

The effect is very small here on Earth, but it becomes large near things like black holes and neutron stars. Time in effect stops at the event horizon of a black hole.

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Is light affected by gravity or as you put it,this bend/curve in space and time?I assume so.I have not taken any college physics classes though.



Yes light is affected by gravity by bending towards the gravity. This has also been experimentally proven, and was in fact the proof that sealed the deal on Einstein's theory of relativity.

If you are wondering what the proof is, they measured the distance between two stars at one point in the year, then measured it again when the sun was between the two stars. The stars appeared closer together when the sun was between them - evidence of gravitational bending of light.


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Re: Why Cant We Terra-form Mars? [Re: sirbojangles]
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One point I can think of that hasnt been mentioned is the lack of magnetic field. The earth has the strongest magnetic field of all the terrestrial planets. This protects us from cosmic rays (solar wind, radiation, bad stuff etc). This magnetic field is created at the core. Earth has a very active core, Mars does not.

Unless you want to live in domes with very thick walls (many feet thick), you will have to somehow construct an artificial magnetosphere.

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This has also been experimentally proven, and was in fact the proof that sealed the deal on Einstein's theory of relativity.


The deal has not been sealed, nor will it ever be. Science is not capable of sealing deals. I know its petty... but I had to throw that in...

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