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Panaeolus from grass clippings(PICS)
    #653143 - 05/30/02 11:12 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)



There's proably a lot of different speices in this pic. Some subbalteatus, some others. Found them growing from a pile of grass clippings in the backyard. The patch has been VERY prolific recently.

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Re: Panaeolus from grass clippings(PICS) [Re: Gumby]
    #658500 - 06/02/02 07:09 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

They all look like subbalteatus to me. Good find


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Re: Panaeolus from grass clippings(PICS) [Re: Gumby]
    #658746 - 06/02/02 10:43 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Those may not be subbalteatus. i am sure they are ok to eat if the print is black, but they may have no psycoactive affects. The reason for my belief is large foenisecii mushooms commonly grow in class clipings, they look very similar including the powder stalk and faint longitudal striate lines. Which can't be determined from the Picture. One distintion for sure is clustered growth. Foensecii never grow in Clusters. There seems to be a black sporeprint for these large "foeneseciii or variations on the common lawn mowers mushooom. I think if they were growing in clusters with some composted horse manuare they would work. Well this is the good thing about a discussion board try to eat them and post the results.


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Re: Panaeolus from grass clippings(PICS) [Re: Gumby]
    #658920 - 06/02/02 12:50 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Stoaked on that bruddah.


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Re: Panaeolus from grass clippings(PICS) [Re: Gumby]
    #659729 - 06/03/02 01:13 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I think they are Pan Subbs, foenisecii have a skinnier stem.

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Re: Panaeolus from grass clippings(PICS) [Re: Gumby]
    #663498 - 06/05/02 04:15 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Well the stems look like P. sub stems because they are very thick.

Howevver you should check the sporeprint. If it is black then it is panaeolus. If it is chocolate brown print then it is Panaeolina foenisceii. Again Paul Stamets in his book PMOTW has mislabeled it as Psilcoybe.

Here is the mycological classification and breakdown on the correct name for this species.

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Over the past 75 years, P. foenisecii has been placed in various genera, including Psilocybe (Ricken 1915), Coprinus (Michael 1919) and Psathyrella (Smith 1972). Taxonomic reference to the genus and synonyms for the species include the following binomials listed according to their chronological taxonomic description.


Panaeolina R. Maire, Treb. Mus. Nat. Barcel. ser. Bot. 15:109 (1933).
Type species: Agaricus foenisecii Pers.:Fr., Syst. Mycol. 1:295 (1821).
Typonym: Psilocybe Fayod, Ann. Sci. Nat. (Bot.) 7(9):377 (1889).

Panaeolina foenisecii (Pers.:Fr.) R. Maire (Haymakers).

Agaricus foenisecii Pers.:Fr., Syst. Mycol. 1:295 (1821).
Psilocybe foenisecii (Pers.:Fr.) Quelet, Champ. Jura. Vosges 1:47 (1872).
Drosophila foenisecii (Pers.:Fr.) Quelet, Enchiridion:117 (1886).
Psathyra foenisecii (Pers.:Fr.) Bert, Bull. Soc. Mycol. Fr. 17:227 (1901).
Panaeolus foenisecii (Pers.:Fr.) Kuhner. Botaniste 17:187 (1926).
Panaeolina foenisecii (Pers.:Fr.) R. Maire, Treb. Mus. Cienc. Nat. Barcel. ser. Bot. 15:109 (1933).
Psathyrella foenisecii (Pers.:Fr.) A. H. Smith, Mem. NY Bot. Gdn. 24:32 (1972).

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Thus the correct binominal for this species is:


Panaeolina foenisecii (Pers.:Fr.) R. Maire (The Haymower's Mushroom). Not Psilocybe foenisecii as listed by Mr. Stamets.


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Re: Panaeolus from grass clippings(PICS) [Re: mjshroomer]
    #663830 - 06/05/02 09:34 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I always print at least one mushroom from every batch that I pick just to be 100% sure I know what I am finding, and it always comes out as black as it can be.

Thanks for the help MJ,
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Re: Panaeolus from grass clippings(PICS) [Re: Gumby]
    #663982 - 06/05/02 11:20 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

MJ - I've heard Panaeolina foenisecii are weakly psychotropic and poisonous. Is this true? or do they label it poisonous for its psycho active content?


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Re: Panaeolus from grass clippings(PICS) [Re: goolag]
    #664184 - 06/05/02 01:11 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Panaeolina is not psychoactive. In the early 1960s even P. cubensis was listda s hallucinogeinc or poisonous. Mycologist placed this warnings in many field guides which wereintended for straight people to id and eat edible mushrooms and not eat the psilocybine. but it was more out of ignorance of the qualities of the compounds with in the shrooms.

You should read my paper on Panaeolina foenisecii iat my site at:

http://mjshroomer.yage.net/articles.htm

Observations regarding the suspected psychoactive properties of Panaeolina foenisecii.

It is based on three case histories of children who alegedly becasme intoxicated after eating this mushroom.. However, most childrend in the todler stage who are rug rats often put many objects ibnto their mouths. The bitter acrid taste of a mushroom would defintely make a child spit it out. But read my investigative paper of this mushroom and its history and find out about false positives.

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