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Re: Islam is the most Warlike Religion [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
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Yea, but where do you think the whole scapegoat idea comes from? The Bible? The Quran basically summarized the Bible too soo...

Yes, the creation of a jewish state did create a lot of anti-semitism in the Muslim lands. But that is not the first time. In the past the large massacres of Jews in Muslim/Arab lands were caused by the fact that Jews tried to establish their own little communities. The Muslims basically don't want Jews to have their own country where they are in control.

Similar situations occured in Israel/Palestine when it was conquered by Rome. The Jews always rebelled when their freedoms were squashed. It doesn't matter if they were discriminated by Muslims or Pagans, they have always tried to establish their own little communities that are independent which were always attacked.

Basically the Jews have always been fighting for Independence, trying to create their own little country which respect Jews and give them rights.


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Then shot in his head
All I know is dead bodies
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Re: Islam is the most Warlike Religion [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
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Actually there is anti-semitism in the New Testament. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Semitism#Early_Christianity

But it can be interpreted differently and can probably be translated differently and ending up anti-semetic. Kinda similar to the original New Testament not saying anything about homosexuals but the modern New Testament does condemn homosexuality.

Jews aren't carrying out the same injustices. If they were then they were conquer everyone and convert them to Judaism and put the others in second class status. All they have done now is created their own independent state. The arabs living in Israel actually have more rights than the Palestinians living outside of Israel.


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Re: Islam is the most Warlike Religion [Re: downforpot]
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downforpot said:
Basilides said:
Got any historical examples of these pre-colonial Jewish massacres by Muslim governors?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_lands


I asked for pre-colonial examples, not hysterical incidents after Israel was founded.  :rolleyes:


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Re: Islam is the most Warlike Religion [Re: downforpot]
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'Actually arabs that live in Israel and are Israeli citizens have more rights than Palestinians.'

Christian Arabs maybe.

If you agree that Jews were oppressed, why condone them becoming the oppressor's?

I have no problem with EVERY JEW in the world moving where ever they want in the entire world. If they all wanted to live in Mecca, and 'terraform' the dry Saudi desert into an oasis.
I do however have a problem with declaring your religion has a homeland! Repressing your neighbors (Israel has no right to the West Bank or Gaza), and making the US a bigger target for 'Haters' than we already were.


I was not aware that there was/is a Muslim, born in Israel, that is not a palestinian, or at least considered one by Israel.


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Re: Islam is the most Warlike Religion [Re: Dexter_Morgan]
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ShroomDr said:
'Actually arabs that live in Israel and are Israeli citizens have more rights than Palestinians.'

Christian Arabs maybe.

If you agree that Jews were oppressed, why condone them becoming the oppressor's?

I have no problem with EVERY JEW in the world moving where ever they want in the entire world. If they all wanted to live in Mecca, and 'terraform' the dry Saudi desert into an oasis.
I do however have a problem with declaring your religion has a homeland! Repressing your neighbors (Israel has no right to the West Bank or Gaza), and making the US a bigger target for 'Haters' than we already were.


I was not aware that there was/is a Muslim, born in Israel, that is not a palestinian, or at least considered one by Israel.


Yes, Gaza and West Bank should be returned. Gaza has already been returned but then militants started using it to lunch rockets. Parts of West Bank have also been returned and more would have been returned if Sharon didn't fall into a coma.

As for the Arabs: During the month long war a few Arabs were actually killed by Hezbollah and the Hezbollah leader actually apologized, lol.

Israel is not just a homeland, Jews have always lived there and that area has always been reffered to as the homeland of the Jews. Even when Rome conquered that region the Jews always rebelled but their rebellions were crushed. Right now however the Jews have been able to repell Muslim rule over them.


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Re: Islam is the most Warlike Religion [Re: downforpot]
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Quit using the word 'Jews'. Jews in no way represent the idiotic and selfish actions of the State of Israel. Israeli nationalist fuckwits do.


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Re: Islam is the most Warlike Religion [Re: Basilides]
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Basilides said:
Quit using the word 'Jews'. Jews in no way represent the idiotic and selfish actions of the State of Israel. Israeli nationalist fuckwits do.


So the majority of Jews do not want a homeland where they are protected? If your people were always discriminated against would want to create your own little country where your people would have equal rights and be protected from discrimination?


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Re: Islam is the most Warlike Religion [Re: downforpot]
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I don't make generalizations about a group of people, sorry.


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Re: Islam is the most Warlike Religion [Re: Basilides]
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Well I am just thinking about my experience in Jew Camp. A lot of our camp counselors are actually from Israel too and served in the IDF. We even had some black jews at the camp too, lol. I told this black kid I met that there are black jews and he was like "WTF, for real?"

Basically from my experience almost all Jews support Israel. The only Jews I know that don't support Israel are some orthodox Jews.


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Re: Islam is the most Warlike Religion [Re: downforpot]
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You'll also find Orthodox Jews refusing to serve in the IDF for moral and religious reasons. I wonder why?


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Re: Islam is the most Warlike Religion [Re: Basilides]
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Because they are orthodox? Actually there are some orthodox Jews that completely nuts. They want all the Muslims killed and whatnot. I don't remember where I read that though.


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Re: Islam is the most Warlike Religion [Re: downforpot]
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downforpot said:
Israel is not just a homeland, Jews have always lived there and that area has always been reffered to as the homeland of the Jews. Even when Rome conquered that region the Jews always rebelled but their rebellions were crushed. Right now however the Jews have been able to repell Muslim rule over them.


The Word HOMELAND is the sticking point. An open democracy where muslims can vote and be represented in the same government as the Jews.
What if Utah decided to break away from the US. They can start restricting non Mormons movements. The Mormons were the first people (other than Indians of course) to travel to Utah, and they have spent the most money on turning Utah into what it is now.

I'm pretty sure Orin Hatch (Sen. Utah) is Mormon, I'm sure most of the political infrastructure is dominated by Mormons, not too much of a transition.

downforpot said:
So the majority of Jews do not want a homeland where they are protected? If your people were always discriminated against would want to create your own little country where your people would have equal rights and be protected from discrimination?


Where are they less protected than in there 'Homeland' how many Jews in the US, Europe, Hell IRAN for that matter, face rocket attacks, suicide bombers daily?
downforpot said:
If your people were always discriminated against would want to create your own little country where your people would have equal rights and be protected from discrimination?


Where's the equal rights?


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Tomato-Faced Banez
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5933438#Post5933438
Dexter's Thesaurus
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smoke = vaporize
pubers = reasons to be pro-choice

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Re: Islam is the most Warlike Religion [Re: Dexter_Morgan]
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ShroomDr said:
The Word HOMELAND is the sticking point. An open democracy where muslims can vote and be represented in the same government as the Jews.
What if Utah decided to break away from the US. They can start restricting non Mormons movements.


Muslims do have rights in Israel. http://www.middle-east-info.org/gateway/arabsinisrael/index.htm

ShroomDr said:
The Mormons were the first people (other than Indians of course) to travel to Utah, and they have spent the most money on turning Utah into what it is now.


Yes, and Jews were there before the Muslims. Also, a lot of the land that is owned by Israel was unused. There were't many people living on it but Israel made an osaisis out of it. However, that land was very rich in terms of silt but it was not used.


ShroomDr said:
I'm pretty sure Orin Hatch (Sen. Utah) is Mormon, I'm sure most of the political infrastructure is dominated by Mormons, not too much of a transition.[


ShroomDr said:
Where are they less protected than in there 'Homeland' how many Jews in the US, Europe, Hell IRAN for that matter, face rocket attacks, suicide bombers daily?
downforpot said:
Would you rather face rocket attacks or have no rights/less rights? I would rather fight instead of giving up my rights.


ShroomDr said:
Where's the equal rights?


What do you mean where are the equal rights? http://www.middle-east-info.org/gateway/arabsinisrael/index.htm

"The overwhelming majority of Israel's Muslims are Arabs. Like all other religious communities, Muslims enjoy considerable autonomy in dealing with matters of personal status. They have separate religious courts for issues such as marriage, divorce, and inheritance. The state oversees their religious institutions. Israel's Bedouin, roughly one-tenth of the Arab population, are exclusively Muslim."

http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-219411


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Re: Islam is the most Warlike Religion [Re: downforpot]
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You are not going to freakin' well believe this one! Our local paper headlined a story today about terrorist cells/groups training in The New Forest! Now either it's an example of real Britiah paranoia or we are in some serious trouble here.


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Re: Islam is the most Warlike Religion [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
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EntheogenicPeace said:
To clarify the speculation about the Orthodox Jew protesting in the picture:

http://www.nkusa.org/



This guy must be a Hezbullah member disguised as a Jew. Jews don't want to be subservient to anyone.




http://www.nkusa.org/activities/demonstrations/2006Sept20.cfm



subservience
One entry found for subservience.
Main Entry: sub·ser·vi·ence
Pronunciation: s&b-'s&r-vE-&n(t)s
Function: noun
1 : a subservient or subordinate place or function
2 : obsequious servility


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