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Shrooms bring schizofrania?
    #6380628 -

I think im becoming a schizo from shrooms! My mind is scattered all over the place. I've eaten a couple ounces in the last couple months and I think that they are starting to get to my head alittle bit. Do you think all that shrooming could cause this?


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Re: Shrooms bring schizofrania? [Re: VampireSlayer]
    #6380663 -

If I were you I would stop the tripping
lay off for a few months
still feel the same seek medical attention


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Re: Shrooms bring schizofrania? [Re: VampireSlayer]
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While you probably aren't at risk of becoming genuinely schizophrenic (although some people are predisposed to this condition, and it can be precipitated by tripping), shrooms can definitely scramble your head a bit. Take a break and sort out your reality, try to integrate some of the things that shrooms have shown you into your life, patch up your ego, whatever.

I haven't done any true psychedelics in over a year now because I observed some real train wrecks and I needed to get my head straight. I think that it was a wise choice.


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Re: Shrooms bring schizofrania? [Re: DadeMurphy]
    #6380671 -

don't do so many shrooms...


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Re: Shrooms bring schizofrania? [Re: VampireSlayer]
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shrooms can cause symptoms similar to those of "schizophrenia".

take hallucinations and delusions of grandeur for example. those are pretty much only experienced by schizophrenics and those under the influence of psychedelics.

however, I wouldn't take this to mean much because terms like schizophrenia don't mean much really. psycologists need a term to base their theories on and advance their own research.

i think that most mild to moderate mental disorders can pretty much be resolved by meditation and taking control of your own mind. admittedly, I used to get some pretty strong panic attacks, which i could have easily dismissed as being caused by weed (which made them occur stronger and more frequently). however, I took the hard path and stuck with weed but instead learned to relax and restructure my illogical thoughts making the connection.

In short, it was just me thinking the weed made the panic attacks appear that made it so. Once I stopped thinking about it that way, everything was fine. It's been years since any panic attacks or being afraid of something irrationally and i've been chiefing pretty hard.

as for your case Pika, I think shrooms can have the same effect if you believe it to be true. they are not causing you to be scatterbrained (which is not even a symptom of schizophrenia by the way), but your association brings the two unrelated things together.

on the other hand, 2 ounces in 60 days is like a gram a day, or 4 grams every 4 days, which is pretty heavy dosing. i've had a week where i trip every day, but not a two month thing like you have. might i add, that after the 2nd day it only took about a gram to get me going.

so, tripping every other day or every three days might not be the best for ya. you know yourself and what you cannot mentally handle. if you cant handle so much and you're losing clarity of mind then just dont shroom so much.


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Re: Shrooms bring schizophrenia? [Re: CosmicFunGuy]
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No, you don't have schizophrenia.

Yes, you should lay off the psychedelics.

I had that same issue over the summer when I found myself tripping just about every week. If you limit yourself to a trip every few months you'll find them to be a lot more meaningful and powerful too.


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Re: Shrooms bring schizophrenia? [Re: VampireSlayer]
    #6380928 -

yeah u definately arent developing schizophrenia from shrooms everyone gets a lil scatterbrained sometimes but to follow up keefboy scatterbrained isnt a symtom of schizophrenia... schizophrenics actually tend to be very collected in their thoughts.


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Re: Shrooms bring schizofrania? [Re: VampireSlayer]
    #6380946 -

You,ll be ok :laugh:, just lay off, or slow down.

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Re: Shrooms bring schizofrania? [Re: rod]
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You say he will be ok and just law off for a bit but think this could be something bad
Shrooms and LSD and other drugs really FUCK with your mind
Take Syd Barrett
Now some say he was already fucked up but he went off the edge
and Pink Floyd wrote that one song "Shine on You Crazy Diamond" because one day Syd didn't show up and they later found out he was tripping. They said he OD on acid and was never the same, "Now there is a look in your eyes, like black holes in the sky". These drugs can lead one to become INSANE. You should be very careful with them, I do not know if they will cause schizophrenia but I know that they can cause other things. I read some where that LSD re-wires your brain and it takes a month after your last trip to get your brain back to normal ( or what they say is normal). But I also hear that shrooms and acid can cause tumors in your spine. Not sure on that one but I think they can cause tumors in your brain. It is a lot about how much you do at once, more so then how much you trip. Someone once told me that after you do acid 6 times you are insane, I do not think this is true but I have only done acid 6 times. What I am saying is you should lay off the drugs for a while, think for yourself.


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Re: Shrooms bring schizofrania? [Re: clemens]
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shrooms or lsd CANNOT cause n e type of tumor although the spine thing is somewhat true... lsd stays in ur spine for ur entire life but this is a thread on shrooms so... if u really feel so inclined lay off, but i dont think you have any sort of "condition" the shrooms just boggle ur mind. especially if uve been hittin it pretty heavy for 2 mths then it would definately leave u sorta dazed so lay off for 2 wks and i dont c any reason u wouldnt b fine


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hmm...

"I'm naked and fearless... And my fear is naked."

"life isn't worth living without the threat of death"

"I got my plans in a ziploc bag, let's see how unproductive we can be"

"nobody lives their lives fully except for bull fighters"

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Re: Shrooms bring schizofrania? [Re: clemens]
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clemens said:
You say he will be ok and just law off for a bit but think this could be something bad
Shrooms and LSD and other drugs really FUCK with your mind
Take Syd Barrett
Now some say he was already fucked up but he went off the edge
and Pink Floyd wrote that one song "Shine on You Crazy Diamond" because one day Syd didn't show up and they later found out he was tripping. They said he OD on acid and was never the same, "Now there is a look in your eyes, like black holes in the sky". These drugs can lead one to become INSANE. You should be very careful with them, I do not know if they will cause schizophrenia but I know that they can cause other things. I read some where that LSD re-wires your brain and it takes a month after your last trip to get your brain back to normal ( or what they say is normal). But I also hear that shrooms and acid can cause tumors in your spine. Not sure on that one but I think they can cause tumors in your brain. It is a lot about how much you do at once, more so then how much you trip. Someone once told me that after you do acid 6 times you are insane, I do not think this is true but I have only done acid 6 times. What I am saying is you should lay off the drugs for a while, think for yourself.


you need to stop going by here say.

drugs don't cause insanity. they can cause an increase in awareness, which in turn, can make people feel like they are insane because they never viewed the world as it is.


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Re: Shrooms bring schizofrania? [Re: Syle]
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lol, thank you, I was going to spend the next 100000 minutes writing crap about that. you summed it up nicely :smile:

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Re: Shrooms bring schizofrania? [Re: ashfiken]
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ashfiken said:
shrooms or lsd CANNOT cause n e type of tumor although the spine thing is somewhat true... lsd stays in ur spine for ur entire life but this is a thread on shrooms so... if u really feel so inclined lay off, but i dont think you have any sort of "condition" the shrooms just boggle ur mind. especially if uve been hittin it pretty heavy for 2 mths then it would definately leave u sorta dazed so lay off for 2 wks and i dont c any reason u wouldnt b fine


what about the spine? i have a feeling it's complete horseshit.


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Re: Shrooms bring schizofrania? [Re: Syle]
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Syle said:
ashfiken said:
shrooms or lsd CANNOT cause n e type of tumor although the spine thing is somewhat true... lsd stays in ur spine for ur entire life but this is a thread on shrooms so... if u really feel so inclined lay off, but i dont think you have any sort of "condition" the shrooms just boggle ur mind. especially if uve been hittin it pretty heavy for 2 mths then it would definately leave u sorta dazed so lay off for 2 wks and i dont c any reason u wouldnt b fine


what about the spine? i have a feeling it's complete horseshit.


LOL, I feel the same way :P I've heard acid stays in your hair.

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Re: Shrooms bring schizofrania? [Re: zootroid]
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yep lsd also stays in your hair just the same way weed does lol :grin: (thats y u cant b a pilot if uve smoked weed in the last 10 yrs cuz they test ur hair and it stays there for 10 yrs)


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"I'm naked and fearless... And my fear is naked."

"life isn't worth living without the threat of death"

"I got my plans in a ziploc bag, let's see how unproductive we can be"

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Re: Shrooms bring schizofrania? [Re: ashfiken]
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ashfiken said:
yep lsd also stays in your hair just the same way weed does lol :grin: (thats y u cant b a pilot if uve smoked weed in the last 10 yrs cuz they test ur hair and it stays there for 10 yrs)


Sources?

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Re: Shrooms bring schizofrania? [Re: ashfiken]
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and syle... lsd does stay in ur spine for 10 yrs although it doesnt really do anything there


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"I'm naked and fearless... And my fear is naked."

"life isn't worth living without the threat of death"

"I got my plans in a ziploc bag, let's see how unproductive we can be"

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Re: Shrooms bring schizofrania? [Re: ashfiken]
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http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_myth1.shtml

thisll prove wat lsd does so i may b wrong and ill get back to ya on the weed


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"I'm naked and fearless... And my fear is naked."

"life isn't worth living without the threat of death"

"I got my plans in a ziploc bag, let's see how unproductive we can be"

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Re: Shrooms bring schizofrania? [Re: ashfiken]
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"LSD is almost entirely metabolized within a day after ingestion. Since the half-life of LSD is only a few hours, only a very small amount of LSD remains even at the end of the trip, and this is excreted in the urine. All traces are undetectable after several days and are certainly gone entirely within a couple of weeks. As detection technology improves and thresholds drop (it is now possible to detect picograms reliably), the time that incredibly small amounts of it could be detected will extend."

"Occasionally, people claim that LSD has been found in spinal fluid years after the last time LSD was taken. There is no support for this claim. If anyone knows of a research article that has looked at spinal fluid of LSD users for LSD, please let us know."

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_myth1.shtml

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Re: Shrooms bring schizofrania? [Re: zootroid]
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haha yep thats y i got that info just to b sure and c wat it says?? lol :naughty:


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hmm...

"I'm naked and fearless... And my fear is naked."

"life isn't worth living without the threat of death"

"I got my plans in a ziploc bag, let's see how unproductive we can be"

"nobody lives their lives fully except for bull fighters"

My Trade List

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Re: Shrooms bring schizofrania? [Re: ashfiken]
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and as for the weed the 10 yrs seems a myth too the pages ive read say at most 90 days in hair which is still a pretty long time!!


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hmm...

"I'm naked and fearless... And my fear is naked."

"life isn't worth living without the threat of death"

"I got my plans in a ziploc bag, let's see how unproductive we can be"

"nobody lives their lives fully except for bull fighters"

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Re: Shrooms bring schizofrania? [Re: ashfiken]
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It doesn't say anything there that it lasts anywhere near 10 years. It states exactly the opposite of what you were saying.

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Re: Shrooms bring schizofrania? [Re: ashfiken]
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ashfiken said:
and as for the weed the 10 yrs seems a myth too the pages ive read say at most 90 days in hair which is still a pretty long time!!


90 days is way far off from the 10 years which you stated previously.

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Re: Shrooms bring schizofrania? [Re: zootroid]
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agreed


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hmm...

"I'm naked and fearless... And my fear is naked."

"life isn't worth living without the threat of death"

"I got my plans in a ziploc bag, let's see how unproductive we can be"

"nobody lives their lives fully except for bull fighters"

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Re: Shrooms bring schizofrania? [Re: ashfiken]
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lol...


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Re: Shrooms bring schizophrenia? [Re: ashfiken]
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ashfiken said:
schizophrenics actually tend to be very collected in their thoughts.


You're a moron.

And pikashroom if you "think" you are becoming schizo its because you are. This is exactly why I make "stupid idiotic threads which make no sence because they are THE OBVIOUS", you have over 800 posts and you are asking whether shrooms can cause schizophrenia? Whether your constant over-dose use can be the cause? Where the fuck have you been?

Im sorry but it just makes no sence to me, do people ever pay attention anymore? It seems that people open their eyes only when shit hits the fan. I know many of you will disagree with me, with the way I "preach", but lay off shrooms and weed for a long time. Ive stated this many times that a shroom trip is like a mind-reset/reboot and you can only reboot yourself so many times before you start wondering why it is you do it over and over, and whethere its needed at all.


Moderation. Marinate on that for a minute

Edited by TMshroom (12/17/06 11:05 PM)

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Re: Shrooms bring schizophrenia? [Re: TMshroom]
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no ur a moron schizophrenics do have organized thoughts its just they have 100x mor shit coming into their head bc of the disease that it is overloaded beyond belief they can still rationalize but also have crazy ass thoughts like being controlled by outside forces (common symptom) doesnt mean they r "scatterbrained"


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hmm...

"I'm naked and fearless... And my fear is naked."

"life isn't worth living without the threat of death"

"I got my plans in a ziploc bag, let's see how unproductive we can be"

"nobody lives their lives fully except for bull fighters"

My Trade List

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Re: Shrooms bring schizophrenia? [Re: ashfiken]
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ashfiken said:
no ur a moron schizophrenics do have organized thoughts its just they have 100x mor shit coming into their head bc of the disease that it is overloaded beyond belief they can still rationalize but also have crazy ass thoughts like being controlled by outside forces (common symptom) doesnt mean they r "scatterbrained"


You know this because you deal with them on daily basis....

Just like that LSD in your spine right?

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Re: Shrooms bring schizophrenia? [Re: TMshroom]
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haha so it was a myth id been told my whole life so what and no actually i have had to deal with schizophrenia for a large part of my life


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hmm...

"I'm naked and fearless... And my fear is naked."

"life isn't worth living without the threat of death"

"I got my plans in a ziploc bag, let's see how unproductive we can be"

"nobody lives their lives fully except for bull fighters"

My Trade List

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Re: Shrooms bring schizophrenia? [Re: ashfiken]
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plus i corrected myself i was the one who put the link up there proving myself wrong


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"I'm naked and fearless... And my fear is naked."

"life isn't worth living without the threat of death"

"I got my plans in a ziploc bag, let's see how unproductive we can be"

"nobody lives their lives fully except for bull fighters"

My Trade List

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Re: Shrooms bring schizophrenia? [Re: ashfiken]
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ashfiken said:
haha so it was a myth id been told my whole life so what and no actually i have had to deal with schizophrenia for a large part of my life


Just what this forum needs, another self proclaimed ex-schizo who is a know it all. Yageman 2, awesome.

Just out of curiosity, if you dont mind me asking that is.....How is it that you ended up on a psychedelic drugs forum? How were you introduced to the magic mushroom world? And why would you risk your mental well-being, knwoing you "had" to deal with schizophrenia for a large part of your life?

Dont worry I ask for personal notes, im not "an agent". :-D

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Re: Shrooms bring schizophrenia? [Re: ashfiken]
    #6381708 -

you are schizophrenic?


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Re: Shrooms bring schizophrenia? [Re: Syle]
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no


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hmm...

"I'm naked and fearless... And my fear is naked."

"life isn't worth living without the threat of death"

"I got my plans in a ziploc bag, let's see how unproductive we can be"

"nobody lives their lives fully except for bull fighters"

My Trade List

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Re: Shrooms bring schizophrenia? [Re: ashfiken]
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i have nvr had schizophrenia


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"I'm naked and fearless... And my fear is naked."

"life isn't worth living without the threat of death"

"I got my plans in a ziploc bag, let's see how unproductive we can be"

"nobody lives their lives fully except for bull fighters"

My Trade List

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Re: Shrooms bring schizophrenia? [Re: ashfiken]
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Quote:
i have had to deal with schizophrenia for a large part of my life


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Re: Shrooms bring schizophrenia? [Re: Syle]
    #6381722 -

uncle who had it had to live with me for 10 yrs b/c he had it my father had to take care of him


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"I'm naked and fearless... And my fear is naked."

"life isn't worth living without the threat of death"

"I got my plans in a ziploc bag, let's see how unproductive we can be"

"nobody lives their lives fully except for bull fighters"

My Trade List

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Re: Shrooms bring schizophrenia? [Re: Syle]
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right on, thanks for clarifying.


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Re: Shrooms bring schizophrenia? [Re: Syle]
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np


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hmm...

"I'm naked and fearless... And my fear is naked."

"life isn't worth living without the threat of death"

"I got my plans in a ziploc bag, let's see how unproductive we can be"

"nobody lives their lives fully except for bull fighters"

My Trade List

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Re: Shrooms bring schizophrenia? [Re: Syle]
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Syle said:
right on, thanks for clarifying.


Agreed.  :thumbup:

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Re: Shrooms bring schizophrenia? [Re: TMshroom]
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haha np


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hmm...

"I'm naked and fearless... And my fear is naked."

"life isn't worth living without the threat of death"

"I got my plans in a ziploc bag, let's see how unproductive we can be"

"nobody lives their lives fully except for bull fighters"

My Trade List

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Re: Shrooms bring schizophrenia? [Re: ashfiken]
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lol hijacked

yeah take some time off, reality's all good  :thumbup:

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Re: Shrooms bring schizofrania? [Re: ashfiken]
    #6382299 -

ashfiken said:
shrooms or lsd CANNOT cause n e type of tumor although the spine thing is somewhat true... lsd stays in ur spine for ur entire life but this is a thread on shrooms so... if u really feel so inclined lay off, but i dont think you have any sort of "condition" the shrooms just boggle ur mind. especially if uve been hittin it pretty heavy for 2 mths then it would definately leave u sorta dazed so lay off for 2 wks and i dont c any reason u wouldnt b fine


Man, don't repeat misinformation for fucks sake... LSD does NOT stay in your spine.


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Know your substance.
Know your source.

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Re: Shrooms bring schizofrania? [Re: ashfiken]
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ashfiken said:
haha yep thats y i got that info just to b sure and c wat it says?? lol :naughty:


You do realize that the link you posted is DISproving the myth that LSD stays in your spine, right?

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Re: Shrooms bring schizofrania? [Re: kevbo]
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LOL, everyone is bashing the poor guy to a pulp. I give him credit for finally taking the time to look up the proper information. Good job, do it more often.

The way he types is murder, though.


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Re: Shrooms bring schizofrania? [Re: Kickle]
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yes, definently good job for looking it up.

i feel bad that he got jumped on when people thought he was a self-proclaimed schizo.

also, ashfiken, thanks for realizing the wrong information from the right. knowledge is key. now spread the knowledge to your misinformed friends!


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Re: Shrooms bring schizofrania? [Re: Syle]
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nice spelling... schizofrania... lol


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Re: Shrooms bring schizofrania? [Re: Cryptix]
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pikashroom, mushrooms do not cause schizophrenia, they only surface the underlying psychology illnesses, so if u became schizophrenic after a shroom trip, it was because you were like that already.

if your worried you might be schizo, and by your posting it doesnt sound like you are, then i think you should be looking into other areas for clues. how was your life growing up? were you abused? were you forced to take on a sepperate face (putting on a face for someone, being someone other than you to be comfortable with someone else) at a very young age?
also, weed and shrooms can make u quite mixed up sometimes, but a good few months of sober time does one well.
the first times shrooming, your so excited and into it and wanting to learn, that u take it every chance you get.
after some experience, you start to view it like TMshroom stated, a reboot/rebirth to the psychological system.
I have not ingested mushrooms for a long time, where i used to take them every weekend, and sometimes ingest up to 200 grams of more of fresh mushrooms. now i dont think i would want to for at least another 6 months, if not a few years. high doses and constant use can leave you kind of mixed up afterwards, and its best to lay off for a while on the mind altering substances til you can get yourself straight again.

ashfiken, its better you read rather than post, as thats some of the funniest propaghanda/bullshit ive heard in a long time. reminded me of the "shrooms make ur brain bleed" thread that i just read. :rotfl:
props for admitting you were wrong though, you will often see alot of knowledge battles in here :lol:
teh elite > :nutkick:  < teh n00bs

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Re: Shrooms bring schizofrania? [Re: keefboy]
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keefboy said:
however, I wouldn't take this to mean much because terms like schizophrenia don't mean much really.

Schizophrenia is a psychotic disorder and schizophrenics generally suffer from a lot of anxiety and fear. The term does mean a lot and it is a condition that requires medical attention and compassion. Though there are problems with the definition of schizophrenia, it is certainly a meaningful term.

Classical hallucinogens, as someone pointed out, generally only cause schizophrenia in people who are predisposed to the illness (e.g. people with family history of schizophrenia). It is quite well known that those suffering from "natural" schizophrenia and "LSD psychosis" are indistignuishable [1]. The incidence of LSD precipitated psychosis is quite low, with estimates ranging between 0.25 to 0.08% of all users.

This represents a significant risk, but fortunately the risk can be avoided. If you have a family history of psychotic illnesses then I suggest that you avoid hallucinogen use altogether or have a sober trip sitter with you in a controlled, comfortable environment.

i think that most mild to moderate mental disorders can pretty much be resolved by meditation and taking control of your own mind.

Now, "taking control of your own mind" is a phrase that doesn't mean much.

they are not causing you to be scatterbrained (which is not even a symptom of schizophrenia by the way)

Disorders in thought process (aka. being scatterbrained) are certainly characteristic of psychotic illnesses.

[1] Nichols, D E. Hallucinogens. Phamacology and Therapeutics. 101, pp. 131 - 181. (2004)

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Now, "taking control of your own mind" is a phrase that doesn't mean much.


yes, it means alot. especialy in the way he spoke of it. :wtf: are you talking about? :stfu:


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Disorders in thought process (aka. being scatterbrained) are certainly characteristic of psychotic illnesses.


not always. anyone who smokes pot every day will eventualy get to the point of being a little scatterbrained, and need to cut back for a few days to regain clearity. this can also be experienced on numberous other substances including alcohol and even caffeine, though it is more rare for the less spacey of substances. also, he said it was not a symptom of schizophrenia, not that it wasnt a sign of some sort of mental illnesses. still that doesnt seem the case here.

also, you credit the information from nichols though most of what you said are your own opinions or suggestions? you should clearify what you are quoting him on, dont make him look like a fool because of it.

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i]KidBotany said:
not always. anyone who smokes pot every day will eventualy get to the point of being a little scatterbrained,

"Not always" is right and I didn't say that "all people who experience being scatterbrained are also psychotic." I said that being scatterbrained is a characteristic of psychotic illnesses, which is true. In other words, a schizophrenic characteristically experiences thought disorders (ie. being "scatterbrained").

he said it was not a symptom of schizophrenia, not that it wasnt a sign of some sort of mental illnesses.

Well, he's wrong. Being "scatterbrained" certainly is a symptom of schizophrenia and schizophrenia is a psychotic disorder.

also, you credit the information from nichols though most of what you said are your own opinions or suggestions? you should clearify what you are quoting him on

If you were familiar with how citations worked, then you would realize that the one sentence that I put "[1]" at the end of is where I'm crediting him. This is how citations normally work. You put the footnote/endnote number at the end of the sentence where credit is to be given. That's exactly what I did.

IE:

"It is quite well known that those suffering from "natural" schizophrenia and "LSD psychosis" are indistignuishable [1]." <----
this is where I am crediting him and by convention this is how it is done. Thank you very much.

However, I really didn't credit him as much as I should have: The entire paragraph where I include the above sentence is all from Nichols's paper (ie. family history and estimated rate of occurence).

Disorganized thinking ("formal thought disorder") has been argued by some to be th esingle most important feature of Schizophrenia. Becuase of the difficulty inherent in developing an objective definition of "thought disorder," and because in a clinical setting inferences about thought are based primarily on the individual's speech, the concept of disorganized speech (Criterion A3) has been emphasized in the definition for Schizophrenia used in this manual. p.300

Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (Forth Edition, Text Revision). American Psychiatric Association. 200.

As for "taking control of your own mind", that means absolutely nothing. You are your own mind. Whether or not you're in control of it isn't something that has ever been answered (or can be at this point). If you advised a mentally ill person to take control of their own mind and two weeks later or a year later, they were still mentally ill, would you give them a hard time for not taking your advice? I once knew someone who claimed to have cured himself of schizophrenia by thinking, but so what? How do you really know you're in control of your own thoughts or mind? Isn't possible that it's an illusion?

Edited by Chemiker (12/18/06 05:15 PM)

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thx to the people that defended the fact that i did look up the information in order to prove myself wrong and as for explosivemango and kevbo look into the comversation a little more of course i realized what was said was disproved by ME and sorry for my typing i dont take agonizingly long amounts of times to type thies posts :biggrin:


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Ive stated this many times that a shroom trip is like a mind-reset/reboot and you can only reboot yourself so many times before you start wondering why it is you do it over and over, and whethere its needed at all.

Moderation. Marinate on that for a minute


Now this guy knows what he's talking about... A+ for you.

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pikashroom...I am sure that you are fine. The one thing any psychedelic user should consider before they start experimenting is their family history with mental disorders. If you have a family history of schizophrenia then you should really take that into consideration before you use a psychedelic. It is truly a risk that an extreme experience could precipitate a schizophrenic brake if it is in your genes. However, this will not happen to anyone who is not predisposed to mental illness. Psychedelics can only bring out an already underlying mental disorder, they cannot cause one.


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ashfiken said:
yep lsd also stays in your hair just the same way weed does lol :grin: (thats y u cant b a pilot if uve smoked weed in the last 10 yrs cuz they test ur hair and it stays there for 10 yrs)


Hehehehe... Who the fuck has the same hair for 10 years? You wouldn't get hired as a pilot because you'd look like a fucking hermit!

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kcobra15 said:However, this will not happen to anyone who is not predisposed to mental illness. Psychedelics can only bring out an already underlying mental disorder, they cannot cause one.


Every person has at least some risk of developing a psychotic illness. For people with no family history of mental illness, their risk of developing one is very low and so their risk of a psychedelic substance inducing a psychotic illness is correspondingly low, but I don't think you can say zero.

When you say that psychedelics can only bring out an "underlying mental disorder", I think this is the same thing as having a family hisotry of schizophrenia.

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Ok i can agree wih that...but the risk is exeedingly low if you have no family history. Also schizophrenia isn't the only mental disorder that can be effected by psychedlic use i.e. bipolar disorder. Bipolar could be the "underlying mental disoerder" that I was talking about as well. Thanks for the correction though...it is important that have accurate info about psychedlics.


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Agreed. Exceedingly low. I think the risk is probably so low for those without a family history of mental illness that they don't need to worry, but I wouldn't want anyone to think that there is absolutely no risk. I'd actually be interested in finding cases of psychedelic-induced psychotic illness in individuals without any clear family history of mental illness.

Also, I can't remember exactly how the articles put it, but basically the risk is higher for uncontrolled "recreational" settings than in controlled, clinical settings. Furthermore, the precipitation of these illnesses by psychedelics seems to be associated with "bad trips", which is probably what you would guess.

So, even a person who is at risk, could probably reduce the risk by having a sober, responsible person with them and ensuring that all of the conditions are set for a comfortable experience. Basically, this just means following the advice that a lot of people on this board would probably give: be responsible. Take care of set and setting. Though there's always going to be some outside chance that even the most level-headed individual could have a psychotic episode, there should be ways to reduce the risk.

Any suggestions?

Edited by Chemiker (12/19/06 04:14 PM)

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