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Secret Service probes student's 'Kill a Bush' comment
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SUSQUEHANNA UNIVERSITY
Secret Service probes student's 'Kill a Bush' comment
Agent probes student's Web page comment
By John Finnerty
The Daily Item
October 19, 2006
James Burgess, 20, was walking out of the library at Susquehanna University in Selinsgrove when he got a cell phone call from a fraternity brother warning him that the head of the university's Department of Public Safety and someone who appeared to be a plainclothes police officer were looking for him.

Mr. Burgess, a Selinsgrove Area High School graduate, said he couldn't figure out what they wanted to speak to him about, but he still did not immediately head back to his residence at the Phi Mu Alpha music fraternity house on University Avenue in Selinsgrove.

A few minutes later, they found him anyway.

But, the man with Susquehanna's director of public safety Tom Rambo wasn't actually a plainclothes police officer, he was an agent from the U.S. Secret Service.

The agent had come to ask Mr. Burgess about his page on the Internet social network Facebook. Mr. Burgess's page included the phrase: "Save a tree. Kill a Bush."

Mr. Burgess, the Secret Service agent and Mr. Rambo then went back to the public safety office where the agent asked the college student about 10 pages worth of questions, exploring things like whether he owned firearms, if he had an interest in bomb-making and if he had ever attended presidential appearances.

After questioning him, the agent told Mr. Burgess that he'd contact him again if charges were going to be filed. Mr. Burgess has not heard from the Secret Service since that interview three weeks ago.

Mr. Burgess said he hasn't been contacted since, but he has dropped the comment from his Facebook page, replacing it with: "Censored."

The targeted phrase had been on his Facebook page for about a year — and Tuesday, Mr. Burgess said he couldn't even recall where he picked up the phrase. But sometime this fall, somebody tipped off Susquehanna's Department of Public Safety about the comment.

Based on that tip, Mr. Rambo, "followed protocol" and alerted the Secret Service about the page, said Betsy Robertson, a Susquehanna University spokeswoman.

"You just don't threaten the president," Ms. Robertson said.



Mr. Burgess's mother, Beverley Conrad, of Selinsgrove, more or less agreed.

"He's a really good kid," Ms. Conrad said. "But he's opinionated. I'd rather have him that way than not. But I told him, 'There are lots of things that you can joke about, but there thing that even if you're joking, you'll still get in trouble. You can't say anything about killing the president."

Mr. Burgess is just one of several cases nationwide where students have been questioned by federal agents over questionable comments on Web pages. Most recently, a 14-year-old girl in California was questioned about a threatening message on her MySpace page.

But with the recent spike in school shootings, the drive to check on young people who have written even apparently satirical references to violence is understandable, Ms. Conrad said.

"I hate to say that I don't blame them ... but I don't," she said. "My feeling is that they had a right to come and see what it was all about."

Mr. Burgess said that while he quickly dropped the comment from his Facebook page, the episode certainly didn't improve his view of the president's administration.

And now, on a practical level, he's wonders if the episode will result in him being pulled aside by inspectors the next time he goes to the airport or even if his actions will be monitored by the federal government.

He said, though, that the reactions he's heard from other students has largely been supportive.

"They're mostly, 'More power to you,'" he said.

A message left at the Harrisburg office of the Secret Service for this article was not returned.




http://www.dailyitem.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?
AID=/20061019/NEWS/610190326/-1/NEWS


He's a good friend of some of my lifelong friends........I guess you really have to watch what you say these days folks.


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Re: Secret Service probes student's 'Kill a Bush' comment [Re: Dark_Star]
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:toomuchacid:


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Re: Secret Service probes student's 'Kill a Bush' comment [Re: notapillow]
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I would've changed it to save a Bush.. kill a tree...



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Re: Secret Service probes student's 'Kill a Bush' comment [Re: TheSlapnCapn]
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lol or 'save a tree, kill a shrub'

..hm no, just doesn't sound the same. :crazy2:

fucking semantics.


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Re: Secret Service probes student's 'Kill a Bush' comment [Re: Dark_Star]
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I see bumper stickers with the same quote..

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Re: Secret Service probes student's 'Kill a Bush' comment [Re: AlteredAgain]
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Damn, there's some policy makers and LE athority types that need to be bitch slapped and shaken back down to eath.
am i allowed to say that?


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Re: Secret Service probes student's 'Kill a Bush' comment [Re: Great Scott]
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Make a god, burn bush???  <<<lower cased  :hehehe:

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Re: Secret Service probes student's 'Kill a Bush' comment [Re: Dark_Star]
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"He's a really good kid," Ms. Conrad said. "But he's opinionated. I'd rather have him that way than not. But I told him, 'There are lots of things that you can joke about, but there thing that even if you're joking, you'll still get in trouble. You can't say anything about killing the president."



that really made me laugh.

what a stupid thing, though. if it wasn't for the fact that i have no desire to meet a secret service agent, I'd go throw up some anti-Bush shit all over my mypsace page and see what happened.

law enforcement sucks..

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Re: Secret Service probes student's 'Kill a Bush' comment [Re: Boom]
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Booooom said:
I see bumper stickers with the same quote..



i have one saying 'more trees, less bush'

guess i'm not hardcore enough.


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Re: Secret Service probes student's 'Kill a Bush' comment [Re: AlteredAgain]
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Save a tree, plant a bush in texas

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Re: Secret Service probes student's 'Kill a Bush' comment [Re: Boom]
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heh heh heh...Tom Rambo

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Re: Secret Service probes student's 'Kill a Bush' comment [Re: Dark_Star]
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They didn't blackbag him and drag him off to Larkhill?
I can't believe this, this is utter fascist police state action, and everybody is so casual about it :sad:


In case the secret service wonders: that's a movie quote :crazy:


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Re: Secret Service probes student's 'Kill a Bush' comment [Re: Dark_Star]
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What a joke.

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Re: Secret Service probes student's 'Kill a Bush' comment [Re: eris]
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Yeah man, for real.....so much for freedom of expression.


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Post deleted by poke smot!

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Re: Secret Service probes student's 'Kill a Bush' comment [Re: poke smot!]
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:lol: How are you doing dude? We gotta chill sometime soon, maybe party it up on Halloween or something.  :gethigh:


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Re: Secret Service probes student's 'Kill a Bush' comment [Re: Dark_Star]
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Secret Service Questions Sacramento Teen Over Bush Threats on MySpace

SACRAMENTO, Calif. -- Upset by the war in Iraq, Julia Wilson vented her frustrations with President Bush last spring on her Web page on MySpace.com.

She posted a picture of the president, scrawled "Kill Bush" across the top and drew a dagger stabbing his outstretched hand. She later replaced her page on the social-networking site after learning in her eighth-grade history class that such threats are a federal offense.


Federal authorities had found the page and placed Wilson on their checklist. They finally reached her this week in her molecular biology class.

The 14-year-old freshman was taken out of class Wednesday and questioned for about 15 minutes by two Secret Service agents. The incident has upset her parents, who said the agents should have included them when they questioned their daughter.

On Friday, the teenager said the agents' questioning led her to tears.

"I wasn't dangerous. I mean, look at what's (stenciled) on my backpack -- it's a heart. I'm a very peace-loving person," said Wilson, an honor student who describes herself as politically passionate. "I'm against the war in Iraq. I'm not going to kill the president."

Her mother, Kirstie Wilson, said two agents showed up at the family's home Wednesday afternoon, questioned her and promised to return once her daughter was home from school.

After they left, Kirstie Wilson sent a text message to her daughter's cell phone, telling her to come straight home: "There are two men from the secret service that want to talk with you. Apparently you made some death threats against president bush."

"Are you serious!?!? omg. Am I in a lot of trouble?" her daughter responded.

Moments later, Kirstie Wilson received another text message from her daughter saying agents had pulled her out of class.

Julia Wilson said the agents threatened her by saying she could be sent to juvenile hall for making the threat.

"They yelled at me a lot," she said. "They were unnecessarily mean."

Spokesmen for the Secret Service in Sacramento and Washington, D.C., said they could not comment on the case.

Wilson and her parents said the agents were justified in questioning her over her MySpace.com posting. But they said they believe agents went too far by not waiting until she was out of school.

They also said the agents should have more quickly figured out they weren't dealing with a real danger. Ultimately, the agents told the teen they would delete her investigation file.

Assistant Principal Paul Belluomini said the agents gave him the impression the girl's mother knew they were planning to question her daughter at school. There is no legal requirement that parents be notified.

"This has been an ongoing problem," said Ann Brick, an attorney with the American Civil Liberties Union in San Francisco.

Former Govs. Pete Wilson and Gray Davis vetoed bills that would have required that parents give consent or be present when their children are questioned at school by law enforcement officers. A similar bill this year cleared the state Senate but died in the Assembly.

Julia Wilson plans to post a new MySpace.com page, this one devoted to organizing other students to protest the Iraq war.

"I decided today I think I will because it (the questioning) went too far," she said.

Edited by shanti (10/24/06 07:54 PM)

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Re: Secret Service probes student's 'Kill a Bush' comment [Re: shanti]
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Is not freedom of expression, when someone yells out bomb in a airport, makes child porn, or says there are going to kill a head of state. I thank she's really lucky, in some places, she could have ended up alot worse.They didn't kown it was a 11 year old girl, I also thank if it was before 9/11, they won't have cared so much .I hate to see the freedoms, the four fathers put fourth done away too, but I really can't see this being a freedom of expression . :cool:


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