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Democrats created Foley scandal
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Is it just me or is the Foley thing totally the Democrats fault? I mean come on people, this is obviously a liberal media conspiracy.

Republicans on Foley


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"We know where they (Weapons of Mass Destruction) are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat."

-Donald Rumsfeld

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Re: Democrats created Foley scandal [Re: Zogby]
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Wow that looks like a real funny Daily Show episode. But who else are they going to blame it on

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Re: Democrats created Foley scandal [Re: Turn]
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> Is it just me or is the Foley thing totally the Democrats fault?

Just you. Foley is the guilty one, regardless of who found out, or why the released the information when they did. If Foley hadn't sent inappropriate emails to his staff, then Foley wouldn't be in the problem he is in at present. Any attempt to blame somebody else for Foley's sickness is wrong.


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Re: Democrats created Foley scandal [Re: Seuss]
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I blame canada and france


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Re: Democrats created Foley scandal [Re: Zogby]
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It's all Clinton's fault! :crankeytom:

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Re: Democrats created Foley scandal [Re: Le_Canard]
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ToiletDuk said:
It's all Clinton's fault! :crankeytom:


Good point.  If not for Clinton no elected official would think it was OK to pork the help.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6268492
Or drive off a bridge with one.
Or talk about it.  Or talk about something from several hundred miles away. Or...whatever.

Oh my god, IT'S THE CULTURE OF CORRUPTION.  Or something.


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Re: Democrats created Foley scandal [Re: Zogby]
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Its the jews.


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There is not a lot of difference between a fox hole and a grave; but knowing that you dug your ditch and climbed in anyway.

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Re: Democrats created Foley scandal [Re: Zogby]
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Classic this wasn't our fault spin from the Republicans.


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"What business is it of yours what I do, read, buy, see, say, think, who I fuck, what I take into my body - as long as I do not harm another human being on this planet?" - Bill Hicks

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Re: Democrats created Foley scandal [Re: barfightlard]
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barfightlard said:
Classic this wasn't our fault spin from the Republicans.


I love the "its the other guys fault" attitude we have in this country. no one is accountable for their fuck ups.


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There is not a lot of difference between a fox hole and a grave; but knowing that you dug your ditch and climbed in anyway.

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Re: Democrats created Foley scandal [Re: AaronEvil]
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What a bunch of stupid bullshit.

I mean Jesus Christ, fuck. The thing to consider here is that because one man fucks some young pages or whatever does not mean the underlying principles behind the right's ideology is faulty. That was just a sick fucker.

If you vote left for this one issue then you are a stupid motherfucker and your voting privileges should be revoked, along side your right to oxygen.

The reason things pan out the way they do is because People know that people will respond this way. They dole out information based on very in depth thought processes. You will bemoan the Foley scandal and then because you lack capacity for thought blame the whole right side.They have already won if you can be controlled so. Start using your fucking heads.

i am not saying that Foley is to be let off, quite the contrary, he should be given the death penalty. The whole hill new about it. The left was letting it take place out of ambition just as much as the right was scared to do anything about. IHMO

It is a simple enough idea, the less Government, the more choices you as individuals have. Fuck the left.


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Re: Democrats created Foley scandal [Re: Le_Canard]
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ToiletDuk said:
It's all Clinton's fault! :crankeytom:


The following things are all Clinton's fault:

AIDS
Inflation
Boy Bands
UFO Abductions
The War of 1812
Hangovers
The 80's
Disco
Scientology
Vietnam
The Great Depression
The Fall of Rome
Slavery
Childhood Obesity
Diabetes
The Black Plague
The Peloponnesian War
The Great Flood
The Crucifixion of Jesus
Infomercials
The Holocaust
Leprosy
Beer Goggles
Global Warming
Emo
The Common Cold
Malaria
Sweatshops
Bitter Beer Face
Carrot Top
Murphy's Law
The Extinction of the Dinosaurs
Carpal Tunnel Syndrome
The Fall in the Garden of Eden

And last but not least:  Everything bad that's happened under Bush's watch.


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Re: Democrats created Foley scandal [Re: Silversoul]
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I just knew he was behind Carrot Top. :shiftyeyes:

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Re: Democrats created Foley scandal [Re: nakors_junk_bag]
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nakors_junk_bag said:
What a bunch of stupid bullshit.
If you vote left for this one issue then you are a stupid motherfucker and your voting privileges should be revoked, along side your right to oxygen.

The reason things pan out the way they do is because People know that people will respond this way. You will bemoan the Foley scandal and then because you lack capacity for thought blame the whole right side.They have already won if you can be controlled so. Start using your fucking heads.

i am not saying that Foley is to be let off, quite the contrary, he should be given the death penalty. The whole hill
(k)new about it. The left was letting it take place out of ambition just as much as the right was scared to do anything about. IHMO

It is a simple enough idea, the less Government, the more choices you as individuals have. Fuck the left.


Stop using shrooms brah, you sound like a communist.


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"We know where they (Weapons of Mass Destruction) are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat."

-Donald Rumsfeld

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Re: Democrats created Foley scandal [Re: nakors_junk_bag]
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If you vote left for this one issue then you are a stupid motherfucker and your voting privileges should be revoked, along side your right to oxygen.



Go to bed you communist


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"We know where they (Weapons of Mass Destruction) are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat."

-Donald Rumsfeld

Edited by Zogby (10/26/06 01:10 AM)

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Re: Democrats created Foley scandal [Re: nakors_junk_bag]
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nakors_junk_bag said:
What a bunch of stupid bullshit.

I mean Jesus Christ, fuck. The thing to consider here is that because one man fucks some young pages or whatever does not mean the underlying principles behind the right's ideology is faulty. That was just a sick fucker.


No, but the fact that a Republican congressman had inclinations towards pedophilia and had this covered for by other high-ranking GOP members does show a vein of hypocrisy running through the highest levels of party leadership.

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If you vote left for this one issue then you are a stupid motherfucker and your voting privileges should be revoked, along side your right to oxygen.


While I agree with this, though in less insane terms, you fail to consider that many conservative voters select candidates based on their position towards a single or a few issues, and willfully disregard that candidates opinions in regards to any other events or policies.

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The reason things pan out the way they do is because People know that people will respond this way. They dole out information based on very in depth thought processes. You will bemoan the Foley scandal and then because you lack capacity for thought blame the whole right side.They have already won if you can be controlled so. Start using your fucking heads.

i am not saying that Foley is to be let off, quite the contrary, he should be given the death penalty. The whole hill new about it. The left was letting it take place out of ambition just as much as the right was scared to do anything about. IHMO


I don't think that being a naughty old pervert warrants capital punishment. I don't think that Democrats are unhappy about this scandal generating so much negative attention for their adversaries. I am very tired of hearing the argument that GOP leadership was afraid to act on their knowledge of Foley's misbehavior, perhaps out of fear their ousting of him would be seen as gay-bashing. To paraphrase the ever apropos Daily Show, perhaps the reason Republicans are so often accused of gay-bashing is that they equate pedophilia to homosexuality and vice versa.

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It is a simple enough idea, the less Government, the more choices you as individuals have. Fuck the left.


I find your closing statement very confusing. You see I agree that individuals should have a great deal of freedom in making their own decisions and being free of the undue influence of government. The reason I find your words to be difficult to understand, is that the factions currently identified as "the right" have to concurrent goals: the expansion of corporate power, limiting individuals choice in economic interactions, and the expansion of government power, limiting individuals choice in personal interactions. Your professed support for more freedom in making choices is completely irreconcilable with your professed support for the political right as it exists in this country today, and you must choose one or the other if you desire to remain a shred of credibility.

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Re: Democrats created Foley scandal [Re: nakors_junk_bag]
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Before I begin... I do not like the left or the right...

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What a bunch of stupid bullshit.


Great way to impress your intellect by starting out a debate with vulgarities.  This should be interesting.

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I mean Jesus Christ, fuck.


Cool, you know blasphemy as well.  I'm impressed.  Well, not really.


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The thing to consider here is that because one man fucks some young pages or whatever does not mean the underlying principles behind the right's ideology is faulty. That was just a sick fucker.


I concur that the actions of an individual do not reflect the ideology of a political party.

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If you vote left for this one issue then you are a stupid motherfucker and your voting privileges should be revoked, along side your right to oxygen.


So you approve of Saddam's method of maintaining power?  Fair elections that result in the death of anybody that doesn't vote the way you like.

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The reason things pan out the way they do is because People know that people will respond this way. They dole out information based on very in depth thought processes. You will bemoan the Foley scandal and then because you lack capacity for thought blame the whole right side.They have already won if you can be controlled so. Start using your fucking heads.


You have the audacity to accuse me of lacking the capacity for thought?  While you are looking up the words vulgar and blasphemy, perhaps you should also check out the definition of ad hominem.

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i am not saying that Foley is to be let off, quite the contrary, he should be given the death penalty. The whole hill new about it. The left was letting it take place out of ambition just as much as the right was scared to do anything about. IHMO


What about all of the other leaders of the republican congress that knew about Foley's problem and allowed it to continue?  Should we kill them as well?  Kind of brings us back to the party ideology point you so eloquently made earlier.  Unfortunately, the right side tried to cover for Foley rather than protect the "family values" they claim to hold dear.  The right lost credibility and are trying to cover for their mistake by attacking Foley now, rather than when they knew about it several years ago... and blaming the left for making a big deal of out these "harmless emails" before an election.  When asked why they didn't do something about it when they found out, they claim that they didn't want to appear to be gay bashing (Newt Gingrich).  I suppose it is much better to allow a pedophile to run The House Caucus on Missing and Exploited Children that to field accusations of gay bashing?

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It is a simple enough idea, the less Government, the more choices you as individuals have. Fuck the left.


And if you think the right is going to do any better than the left for reducing the size of government...  :rolleyes:


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Re: Democrats created Foley scandal [Re: Seuss]
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I believe this is the first post I have made on the whole Foley thing. I won't say I approve of Foley's behavior, because I don't. However, there have been a lot of fallacies and inaccuracies spouted here about it. I've meant to address the more common of them before but never got around to it, so I may end up missing a few, but here goes anyway:



-- There is a difference between pedophilia and pederasty. I suggest all those who have been incorrectly using the term "pedophile" take note of that fact. Foley is a gay man attracted to young men (i.e. teenagers of the age of consent in many states), not to toddlers or children.

-- There is no evidence that any actual sex took place, which makes this different from the Studds case. There isn't even any evidence of stalking. Worst case scenario is some consensual cybering. There certainly is no evidence of any crime.

-- Foley resigned instantly, though he didn't have to. Contrast this with Studds.

-- It is known that Democratic operatives were aware of Foley's activities for months (perhaps almost a year) before they revealed them. If the purpose of the revelation was to "protect the children", rather than partisan manipulation, why the delay in publication?



I repeat I don't approve of what Foley did. His attempt to chat up young men working in a position subordinate to him is as wrong as a CEO propositioning his company's mailroom clerk. But a three week "flood the zone" coverage of the event by the MSM was more than just a little over the top.



Phred


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Re: Democrats created Foley scandal [Re: Phred]
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explain to me Seuss why you think the reverse is true. Why do I stand a better chance of having Government reduced with a lefty in there.


Also I care not if you are so easily offended by mob speech. Toughen up buddy. Consider where you are.

Blasphemy, hardly. Lack of reverence for the lord was hardly in display. Fuck is a word, if you or anyone else chooses to attach connotations that are negative to it then you feel free to do so. As for me and my relationship with Jesus Christ, he is not offended, nor should you be, for tis not your soul that lies in jeopardy. Unless you are attempting as a moderator to make this an experience the average palate an enjoy, if so state your case. Attempting to discredit my views based on the language I employ is the tactics of the lame, mentally maimed, both things I know you not to be.

When I said that if you vote left because of this one issue etc.etc., I was simply commenting on the ease at which you turn coat to your own ideals, or is it you never understood your position? Either way it is a flagrant misuse of the thought process and oxygen could be much better used by those who can delve a little deeper and resist the current ploy in use by whatever opposition stands before you. It seems quite apparent I have no real desire to execute a man for being gay and trying to pimp his pages, and as Phred points out, it was neither illegal nor unnatural, simply unnerving.

It seems people so easily forget, the spectrum doesn't stop with the republicans. The are merely right of the left, there is still right of the "right. Get it right yall. Quit thinking in these prepackaged conditions that you have so readily accepted as truths and axiom's.

You spend frequent moments here on the PA&L forum, verbal sparring and mortal word duels take place so regularly, yet people still fail to consider the next level.

I say again, someone tell me how voting for Democrats and Communists is going to reduce the size of Government and allow me the luxury of making more choices for myself.

Also having a large army is not the equivalent of having a large government.


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Re: Democrats created Foley scandal [Re: nakors_junk_bag]
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> Why do I stand a better chance of having Government reduced with a lefty in there.

Personally, I don't think you/we do. Lefties like to spend. However, the right is no longer conservative on spending, but rather conservative on liberty. The right moved to extremism. As I said, I don't like the left or the right. I used to like the right, back before they went all neo-whatever on me. I don't need somebody to legislate their moral values into laws that I have to follow, which is exactly what the right has been doing for the last couple of decades.

> Also I care not if you are so easily offended by mob speech.

Offended would be too strong of a word. When I read a debate/post full of vulgarities, I tend to dismiss the author as childish, immature, or uneducated.

> Also having a large army is not the equivalent of having a large government.

I am a strong supporter of a large and unbeatable military. However, I despise politicians that use the military in politics. The military should never be used, except in response to an attack, as was the case with both Kuwait and Afghanistan. Iraq (the second time around), on the other hand was purely political.

> Foley is a gay man attracted to young men (i.e. teenagers

For me, any adult (in my mind, an adult is somebody that can legally buy alcohol... 21 in most states) that is engaging in any kind of sexual activity with a minor (in my mind, a minor is anybody under 18 years of age), regardless of the minors age, is a pedophile. Perhaps my treatment of the word is more strict than the traditional interpretation. So be it. In my mind, Foley was acting as a pedophile when he engaged in sexually explicit emails with a minor.

> It is known that Democratic operatives were aware of Foley's activities for months (perhaps almost a year) before they revealed them.

Everybody, regardless of party, that knew about his behavior and allowed it to continue unchallenged are equally at fault.

> But a three week "flood the zone" coverage of the event by the MSM was more than just a little over the top.

I really hate this kind of BS by the media as well. Same thing happened to Clinton when he lied under oath about sex. The media loves to fluff a story and both parties are all too willing to help at the expense of each other.

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Re: Democrats created Foley scandal [Re: Seuss]
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Uneducated, sure. Childish, at times. Immature, I am a toys r us kid.

My speech pattersn are what they are.


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