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LSA Extraction with odorless mineral spirits?
    #6118457 -

I'm considering doing a MG LSA extraction, but substituting Naptha with odorless mineral spirits. Seems to me, odorless minera spirits are much more pure and would leave less harmful residues behind (not that naptha would leave that much), and is closer to what might be considered "lab grade". It also seems to be more readily available. Anyone have any insight or reasons why this would be a bad idea?

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Re: LSA Extraction with odorless mineral spirits? [Re: beerdrinker]
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Edited by CptnGarden (09/09/08 12:08 PM)

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Re: LSA Extraction with odorless mineral spirits? [Re: CptnGarden]
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Mineral spirits are used as paint thinner. They fall under the "Petroleum Ether" category like naptha.

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Re: LSA Extraction with odorless mineral spirits? [Re: beerdrinker]
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If they are a non-polar solvent, they should work. But I hope you're right about not leaving more residue...


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Re: LSA Extraction with odorless mineral spirits? [Re: ExplosiveMango]
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is this naphtha actually called that in the store?

who sells it?


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"When I'm on LSD and hearing something that's pure rhythm, it takes me to another world and into anther brain state where I've stopped thinking and started knowing" - Kevin Herbert

"Psychedelics let you see the world through a child's eye."

"Experience the liquid realm..."

"The evolution of mankind is in the alteration of consciousness" - Dr. Albert Hofmann

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Re: LSA Extraction with odorless mineral spirits? [Re: agoutihead]
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Well, while I'm doing a test for evaporation residue, I decided just to eat about 200 seeds. OMG, does the nausea ever go away? I'm definitely tripping, but the undercurrent of nausea sucks balls...

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Re: LSA Extraction with odorless mineral spirits? [Re: beerdrinker]
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ok so i figured out the naptha is the non polar agent... where do they sell this product?

and what other uses does it actually have?


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"When I'm on LSD and hearing something that's pure rhythm, it takes me to another world and into anther brain state where I've stopped thinking and started knowing" - Kevin Herbert

"Psychedelics let you see the world through a child's eye."

"Experience the liquid realm..."

"The evolution of mankind is in the alteration of consciousness" - Dr. Albert Hofmann

Edited by agoutihead (09/30/06 06:06 PM)

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Re: LSA Extraction with odorless mineral spirits? [Re: agoutihead]
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also when your letting the seeds sit in the non polar solvent... is there ever any need to "stir" the mixture up?

or do you just let it sit still?


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"When I'm on LSD and hearing something that's pure rhythm, it takes me to another world and into anther brain state where I've stopped thinking and started knowing" - Kevin Herbert

"Psychedelics let you see the world through a child's eye."

"Experience the liquid realm..."

"The evolution of mankind is in the alteration of consciousness" - Dr. Albert Hofmann

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Re: LSA Extraction with odorless mineral spirits? [Re: agoutihead]
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ok well i have found out that the non polar solvent is zippo fluid.... how much zippo fluid do you need to mix with the seeds? enough to completly cover the ground up seeds? cover by like an inch?

what is the best/easiest POLAR solvent to obtain?

i.e. zippo fluid is obviously easy to obatain and cheap.


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"When I'm on LSD and hearing something that's pure rhythm, it takes me to another world and into anther brain state where I've stopped thinking and started knowing" - Kevin Herbert

"Psychedelics let you see the world through a child's eye."

"Experience the liquid realm..."

"The evolution of mankind is in the alteration of consciousness" - Dr. Albert Hofmann

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Re: LSA Extraction with odorless mineral spirits? [Re: agoutihead]
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Edited by CptnGarden (09/09/08 12:08 PM)

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Re: LSA Extraction with odorless mineral spirits? [Re: CptnGarden]
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Edited by CptnGarden (09/09/08 12:09 PM)

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Re: LSA Extraction with odorless mineral spirits? [Re: CptnGarden]
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i dont think i have an ace hardware around.

is zippo fluid not a good non polar solvent?

isopropyl alcohol - thats just regular old rubbing alcohol right?

when soaking the ground up seeds in the liquids... how much liquid should cover them? like an inch?

this is alot of work for a gooey extraction.

what is needed to take it a step further to extract the gooey substance to a fine white powder?


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"When I'm on LSD and hearing something that's pure rhythm, it takes me to another world and into anther brain state where I've stopped thinking and started knowing" - Kevin Herbert

"Psychedelics let you see the world through a child's eye."

"Experience the liquid realm..."

"The evolution of mankind is in the alteration of consciousness" - Dr. Albert Hofmann

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Re: LSA Extraction with odorless mineral spirits? [Re: agoutihead]
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this is really barely any work at all, even compared to a simple a/b.

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Re: LSA Extraction with odorless mineral spirits? [Re: CptnGarden]
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yeahe i guess it really isnt hard work.

what about the rest of the answers to my last post?


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"When I'm on LSD and hearing something that's pure rhythm, it takes me to another world and into anther brain state where I've stopped thinking and started knowing" - Kevin Herbert

"Psychedelics let you see the world through a child's eye."

"Experience the liquid realm..."

"The evolution of mankind is in the alteration of consciousness" - Dr. Albert Hofmann

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Re: LSA Extraction with odorless mineral spirits? [Re: agoutihead]
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zippo fluid is usualy naphtha, but it can be impure. test it the way i mentioned.

99% isopropyl is rubbing alcohol yes. dont get anything less than 91%

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Re: LSA Extraction with odorless mineral spirits? [Re: CptnGarden]
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so if its impure it will leave a residue?

is there benzene in zippo fluid?

how about extracting the goo down to a fine poweder.... what is needed for that?


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"When I'm on LSD and hearing something that's pure rhythm, it takes me to another world and into anther brain state where I've stopped thinking and started knowing" - Kevin Herbert

"Psychedelics let you see the world through a child's eye."

"Experience the liquid realm..."

"The evolution of mankind is in the alteration of consciousness" - Dr. Albert Hofmann

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Re: LSA Extraction with odorless mineral spirits? [Re: agoutihead]
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ok there is actually an ace hardware a few minutes away so i am going to get Ace brand VM&P naphtha

does the can actually say VM&P NAPHTHA?

is it in like a paint can?

i take it its in the paint section next to all of the othere varnishes?


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"When I'm on LSD and hearing something that's pure rhythm, it takes me to another world and into anther brain state where I've stopped thinking and started knowing" - Kevin Herbert

"Psychedelics let you see the world through a child's eye."

"Experience the liquid realm..."

"The evolution of mankind is in the alteration of consciousness" - Dr. Albert Hofmann

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Re: LSA Extraction with odorless mineral spirits? [Re: agoutihead]
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its a square tin can, usualy white with a red square on the front, says Ace in the top left, and usualy reads the following:

VM&P
Naphtha
Pure

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Re: LSA Extraction with odorless mineral spirits? [Re: CptnGarden]
    #6119854 -

thanks man youve been tons of help!

if i add say a full cup, will it extract any more bad particles than say half a cup will?

or is it the multiple times of washing that really does the trick?

what about extracting it to a powder? what is required for that?

if i do an extraction on 50 seeds.... how do i tell the dosage of the goo if i only do a polar and non polar extraction?


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"When I'm on LSD and hearing something that's pure rhythm, it takes me to another world and into anther brain state where I've stopped thinking and started knowing" - Kevin Herbert

"Psychedelics let you see the world through a child's eye."

"Experience the liquid realm..."

"The evolution of mankind is in the alteration of consciousness" - Dr. Albert Hofmann

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Re: LSA Extraction with odorless mineral spirits? [Re: agoutihead]
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i also posted this in my salvia thread....


for the record, can you do an extraction of just salvia leaves the way you do an extraction of HBWR seeds with a polar and non polar solvent?

are all alkaloids of different plants able to be extracted with a polar and non polar solvent wash?


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"When I'm on LSD and hearing something that's pure rhythm, it takes me to another world and into anther brain state where I've stopped thinking and started knowing" - Kevin Herbert

"Psychedelics let you see the world through a child's eye."

"Experience the liquid realm..."

"The evolution of mankind is in the alteration of consciousness" - Dr. Albert Hofmann

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Re: LSA Extraction with odorless mineral spirits? [Re: agoutihead]
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Edited by CptnGarden (09/09/08 12:09 PM)

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Re: LSA Extraction with odorless mineral spirits? [Re: CptnGarden]
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no no i totally understand.  i figured while we were on the subject.. i just like to get side tracked cause i have just an unlimted amount of questions. im not here to have people do the work for me.... but i just ask ALOT of questions, (if you havent been able to tell. )if i tried to look up all of the answers to the questions i ask... i would never learn anything.

the fact that i am able to come to one specific place and have many different teachers in many different fields is invaulable to me... i take all of my posts very seriously sometimes i disappear for a couple of weeks... but im always here when i get the chance... i have been around about a year now pretty consistantly.

i only mean everything i say and appreciate all of the help in my posts, and put forth honest effort to learn, help and guide others in a field that is probably the most facinating field of work in life.

and were all puttin in "werk" brothers and sisters.

now back to the subject at hand,

so actualy only one round of naphtha and one wash of iso is needed?  erowids said you could/should do it a couple of times?

are you avoiding the further refining step on purpose? as if im not supposed to ask? i been here almost a year and i still dont know what i may or may not be able to ask.  thats why i just ask it all, be even across the board.  :smile:


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"When I'm on LSD and hearing something that's pure rhythm, it takes me to another world and into anther brain state where I've stopped thinking and started knowing" - Kevin Herbert

"Psychedelics let you see the world through a child's eye."

"Experience the liquid realm..."

"The evolution of mankind is in the alteration of consciousness" - Dr. Albert Hofmann

Edited by agoutihead (09/30/06 11:07 PM)

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Re: LSA Extraction with odorless mineral spirits? [Re: agoutihead]
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Edited by CptnGarden (09/09/08 12:09 PM)

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Re: LSA Extraction with odorless mineral spirits? [Re: CptnGarden]
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really? interesting. i plan on HBWR.... so i guess i can only hope for the best.

but only one washing of each is all that is realy needed? obviously the more shaking the better?

so would having 99% iso would give you a better shot at coming up with a powder like substance, where as 91% would leave you with a gooey substance? am i correct?


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"When I'm on LSD and hearing something that's pure rhythm, it takes me to another world and into anther brain state where I've stopped thinking and started knowing" - Kevin Herbert

"Psychedelics let you see the world through a child's eye."

"Experience the liquid realm..."

"The evolution of mankind is in the alteration of consciousness" - Dr. Albert Hofmann

Edited by agoutihead (09/30/06 11:33 PM)

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Re: LSA Extraction with odorless mineral spirits? [Re: agoutihead]
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yes your correct, the more water the more impurities. too many impurities leaves you with a goo.

one wash of each, but note the time i said for each.

the more shaking, the more exposure of seed material to isopropyl.

seems you have an idea of whats what.

good luck.

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Re: LSA Extraction with odorless mineral spirits? [Re: CptnGarden]
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yeah i got it down pat now. thanks again.

once it is extracted... and hopefully its a powder... it will keep for a long long time in a dark cool place right?

how do you calculate/dose a powder extraction of HBWR seeds?


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"When I'm on LSD and hearing something that's pure rhythm, it takes me to another world and into anther brain state where I've stopped thinking and started knowing" - Kevin Herbert

"Psychedelics let you see the world through a child's eye."

"Experience the liquid realm..."

"The evolution of mankind is in the alteration of consciousness" - Dr. Albert Hofmann

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Re: LSA Extraction with odorless mineral spirits? [Re: agoutihead]
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dont try and eye a dose, light dosage is 0.002 or 2mg and heavy is 0.004 or 4mg, very hard to even eye out any dose.

128mg(0.128) was a flat pile of chrystals about as big around as a nickel, its hard to say, and working with that little of a weight, impurities can change dosage drasticly.

get a milligram scale, or just make an extract for one person. otherwise it just wouldnt be safe to do a large extraction and try to eye a dose. over 0.008mg can be VERY fuckin scary!

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Re: LSA Extraction with odorless mineral spirits? [Re: CptnGarden]
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yeah i would defintially never try and eye any chemical.

is a milligram scale the same kind of scale people weigh small portions of coke out on? like one of those jewelry/diamond scales?


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"When I'm on LSD and hearing something that's pure rhythm, it takes me to another world and into anther brain state where I've stopped thinking and started knowing" - Kevin Herbert

"Psychedelics let you see the world through a child's eye."

"Experience the liquid realm..."

"The evolution of mankind is in the alteration of consciousness" - Dr. Albert Hofmann

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Re: LSA Extraction with odorless mineral spirits? [Re: agoutihead]
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it needs to be accurate down to the 0.001, accurate to 0.002 COULD work, but is not recommended. most MG scales even when calibrated, are usualy 0.001 shy or over anyways. a real accurate one would cost over 400$ at the least, but usualy are over 1000$.
most jewelry scales are usualy only accurate to the 0.01.

http://www.americanweigh.com/index.php?cPath=99&osCsid=5d8e04c92d784306f5b23d80143ab063
good milligram scales there for reasonable price.
i have that black one with the red screen on the very top, works great for measuring many things, from herbs to panned gold. whatever i want

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Re: LSA Extraction with odorless mineral spirits? [Re: CptnGarden]
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hmm alright.. i might even be able to find a cheaper one on ebay.

i will probably try and eat the seeds for my first time, then i will do the extraction and then for the third time i would like to try it with rue.

do you extract syrian rue with the same polar/nonpolar way?

damn that really is a nice scale! i like all of the goodies and the small round dish!


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"When I'm on LSD and hearing something that's pure rhythm, it takes me to another world and into anther brain state where I've stopped thinking and started knowing" - Kevin Herbert

"Psychedelics let you see the world through a child's eye."

"Experience the liquid realm..."

"The evolution of mankind is in the alteration of consciousness" - Dr. Albert Hofmann

Edited by agoutihead (10/01/06 12:33 AM)

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Re: LSA Extraction with odorless mineral spirits? [Re: agoutihead]
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Edited by CptnGarden (09/09/08 12:08 PM)

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Re: LSA Extraction with odorless mineral spirits? [Re: CptnGarden]
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what does an a/b extraction persist of chemical/solvent wise?

how long before/after should the rue extract/seeds be taken with the lsa extraction/seeds?

for the record, that link you provided for the scale was cheaper and cooler than the ones on ebay. nice!


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"When I'm on LSD and hearing something that's pure rhythm, it takes me to another world and into anther brain state where I've stopped thinking and started knowing" - Kevin Herbert

"Psychedelics let you see the world through a child's eye."

"Experience the liquid realm..."

"The evolution of mankind is in the alteration of consciousness" - Dr. Albert Hofmann

Edited by agoutihead (10/01/06 12:42 AM)

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Re: LSA Extraction with odorless mineral spirits? [Re: agoutihead]
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i just read an extraction for rue on erowid and it was the 40% water and 60% white vinegar recipe.

is this the easiest/best one for crystals?

the guy said he got orange crystals by adding salt to his boiling mixture.... so basically the rue akaloids bond with the salt crystals?


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"When I'm on LSD and hearing something that's pure rhythm, it takes me to another world and into anther brain state where I've stopped thinking and started knowing" - Kevin Herbert

"Psychedelics let you see the world through a child's eye."

"Experience the liquid realm..."

"The evolution of mankind is in the alteration of consciousness" - Dr. Albert Hofmann

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