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OfflinePlasticFantastic
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LSA extraction with water into solid form?
    #4370054 - 07/04/05 07:38 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I have read about the extraction method using ether and alcohol but was wondering if a similar method using only water would work:

1.) Grind up as many morning glory seeds as desired.
2.) Fill container 1/3 up with filtered water.
3.) Add morning glory powder.
4.) Fill the container's remaining 2/3 with filtered water.
5.) Cover container.
6.) Store for a week, shaking when desired.
7.) Strain out solid contents of solution.
8.) Put liquid in dish and boil, untill no liquid is left.
9.) Collect solid material left.

Would the solid material left if any was work as extracted LSA?


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Re: LSA extraction with water into solid form? [Re: PlasticFantastic]
    #4370423 - 07/04/05 11:19 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

i think boiling the lsa would destroy it all. someone on here did a dmt-style extraction and got solid lsa, im not sure if its the same as the ether and alcohol extraction.

getting solid lsa would be a huge bonus though, much easier to digest :smile:

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Re: LSA extraction with water into solid form? [Re: pH_]
    #4370452 - 07/04/05 11:38 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, it would be so much better than munchin' down seeds or drinking a nasty concoction. From all of this, LSA tabs could be made?


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Re: LSA extraction with water into solid form? [Re: PlasticFantastic]
    #4370562 - 07/05/05 12:19 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

tabs would be cool. i would say capsules but having to wait a hour for it to dissolve, then the come up starts.. for my last trip the comeup was around 2 hours, then 3-4 hours of peak. waiting 3 hours, i would fall asleep  :eek:


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Re: LSA extraction with water into solid form? [Re: pH_]
    #4370762 - 07/05/05 01:33 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

ive never tripped on pure lsa. i have eaten morning glorys seeds 1 time. but i felt like a fiend kinda so i didnt do it anymore. plus it wasnt the best feeling i had . (i know its from the seeds) . this could get interesting


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Re: LSA extraction with water into solid form? [Re: SO0PA_HER0]
    #4371566 - 07/05/05 10:09 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

The whole point of the boiling would be to get rid of the water so that only the solid crystals remain at the bottom. If you think that would destroy the LSA (due to the heat?) then you could try a dehydrator maybe that would work at a lesser temperature but get the same job done. Especially if you use a smaller amount of seeds meaning less water it shouldn't take for ever for the water to evaporate. Think having 600 seeds it's worth a shot, just to expiriment?


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Re: LSA extraction with water into solid form? [Re: PlasticFantastic]
    #4371589 - 07/05/05 10:19 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

It's always worth a shot. I'll never try LSA again unless I went through the trouble to make it solid. Kinda funky feeling.


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Re: LSA extraction with water into solid form? [Re: LazyCrash]
    #4371601 - 07/05/05 10:28 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, I'm hoping with it in crystal form it'll take away from the side affects. But I think thats what the ether and alcohol are for in the other method. Having organic seeds though and without all the seed matter (tasets nasty and hard to get down) it should still greatly reduce the sick feeling.


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Re: LSA extraction with water into solid form? [Re: PlasticFantastic]
    #4372022 - 07/05/05 01:31 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

i have over 100g seeds left i could try evaporation. low temp evaporation might work, one idea i got was using a desiccant (sp?) chamber. make a mcguyver setup using DampRid or something. i wonder if it would leave the lsa behind though.. :frown:

worth a shot like LC said :sun:


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Re: LSA extraction with water into solid form? [Re: pH_]
    #4372079 - 07/05/05 01:53 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah man, probally smarter to try with like 100 so you don't end up wasting a crap load of seeds. Maybe it'd be smart to not use alot of water so that you will have a very concentrated liquid and hopefully it will dry quickly and nicely.

One reason for trying this with water is so in the end you don't have ether and alcohol residue along with LSA so that you'll know the true potency of the LSA alone.


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Re: LSA extraction with water into solid form? [Re: PlasticFantastic]
    #4373096 - 07/05/05 07:53 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Cool, sounds like a great experiment. Let us know how it goes. But with only 100 seeds, even if you end up with crystals, it seems like it won't be enough to trip off of and therefore you won't know if it worked or not?


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Re: LSA extraction with water into solid form? [Re: pH_]
    #4373165 - 07/05/05 08:17 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

So long as your desiccant never physically comes into contact with your water/lsa solution, you ought to be fine. Desiccants work by pulling water vapor out of the air. As the air dries, the material you're drying in turn gives up some of its moisture to the drier air, but leaving behind your solute. Unfortunately, you probably won't be able to achieve a pure product using water alone, as when the water is removed, everything dissolved in the water (LSA and all the other water soluble compounds present) will precipitate. But of course, this is still better than munching on straight up seeds. Good luck!


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Re: LSA extraction with water into solid form? [Re: Plok]
    #4373173 - 07/05/05 08:19 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

yeah, im thinking ill try it with 8g. when i hear the music change dramatically, ill know its working. anyone else always get a feeling the musics too low when on lsa? it gets so much more depth, maybe thats why. i usually end up getting paranoid thinking im going to turn my psy up too loud and wake the house :sun:

the next step would be figuring out doses for pure, but im not sure how far we'll get with that with the board rules. guinea pigs anyone?  :tongue:

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So long as your desiccant never physically comes into contact with your water/lsa solution, you ought to be fine. Desiccants work by pulling water vapor out of the air. As the air dries, the material you're drying in turn gives up some of its moisture to the drier air, but leaving behind your solute (LSA.)




yes, i planned on putting the water on a plate or something similar, then putting it in an air tight container an inch above the damprid. of course i wouldnt let it touch  :grin: i just hope it doesnt pull the lsa out with it, hopefully not  :wink:


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Re: LSA extraction with water into solid form? [Re: PsychoChipmunk]
    #4373181 - 07/05/05 08:21 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

If one put a container with the liquid into the dehydrator would it be fine?


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Re: LSA extraction with water into solid form? [Re: PlasticFantastic]
    #4373330 - 07/05/05 09:04 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

im really interested in this, i just did my own experiment with mg. once i found that things are much easier than they look on paper im going to try to refine things.


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Re: LSA extraction with water into solid form? [Re: JoeyBond]
    #4374906 - 07/06/05 08:51 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

What was your expiriment? How will you get the water out? (I don't know if the previous ideas of evaporating the water will work.)

What's a damprid?...and if you put it in an air tight container won't the evaporated water just go up the the lid and stick there?


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Re: LSA extraction with water into solid form? [Re: PlasticFantastic]
    #4377294 - 07/06/05 09:15 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

damprid pulls moisture out of the air. its (i think, havent seen any yet) pebble-like things that you put in an air tight container with whatever. its reusable as far as i know, atleast the dessicants we used in chemistry were reusable :smile:

one day this week hopefully ill be able to find some damprid


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Re: LSA extraction with water into solid form? [Re: pH_]
    #4377718 - 07/06/05 11:35 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

pH_ -

You shouldn't have to worry about a desiccant removing your lsa. Since water vapor from the air is absorbed by hygroscopic materials and your lsa isn't going to be present in the water vapor (As water evaporates it doesn't carry any solutes along with it (well, perhaps extremely minute quantities,)) nearly all of your extracted lsa will remain behind in solid form. Man, that's a helluva run on sentence... Good luck with your experimentation.


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Re: LSA extraction with water into solid form? [Re: PsychoChipmunk]
    #4378853 - 07/07/05 07:05 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

So it doesn't matter if one were to just boil it on the stove (a much quicker method) it wouldn't lose the LSA?


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Re: LSA extraction with water into solid form? [Re: PlasticFantastic]
    #4378963 - 07/07/05 08:10 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

a week is overkill... ~80% of the interesting alkaloids are in solution within the first hour...
are you using distilled water? remember that the chlorine added to regular tapwater will destroy most of the lysergamides pretty quickly...
and sitting around at room temperature (or higher, as in boiling!), with ambient light, and atmospheric oxygen, whilst in an aqueous solution is another quick way to degrade the relatively fragile lysergic molecules...
why do you want to use water? wouldn't 91% (or 99%) isopropyl alcohol be avaialable at the same place you would purchase distilled water (and it would evaporate much more quickly, right?)
there's a number of useful extraction techs over at www.erowid.org & www.lycaeum.org & right here at www.shroomery.org
(like they used to say at the hive, utfse...)


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