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OfflineRedHead
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horse dung
    #610795 - 04/17/02 01:25 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

[i posted this yesterday, but it doesn't seem to be here??]

i called a local stable today and they said i could come by and take as much horse dung as i want. i have never dealt with dung before. i currently have some p.c. b+ jars almost colonized. i plan on doing a bulk method- mixing spawn with some horse dung and letting it colonize as one big cake- this cake will humidify the terrarium itself, etc.

i have done a bunch of reading here and other places and it seems that old dry dung is the best stuff to get. but how old and how dry? i asked the lady from the stable if the dung was fresh and she said that some of it has been sitting around for a week or two. is this old enough? i'm not looking to compost or anything. i want to be able to use the dung asap. i have a feeling when i go there- it's gonna be one big pile of dung. i should be looking for dry stuff that doesn't really smell like dung- right? is there anything else i should be looking for? if none of the dung looks dry can i get some fresh stuff and lay it out in the sun and let it dry? for how long?

once i have appropriate dung it needs to be pasteurized. should i put the dung in a pillowcase, submerge it in water at 160 for 1.5 hours then let it hang to drain (how long)? will this provide proper pasteurization and water content? OR should i saturate the dung with water, put it in an aluminum baking pan, cover with foil and put it in the oven to pasteurize? if so, how long and at what temperature?

i don't need to mix anything with this dung do i? like vermiculite or anything?

thanks to all replies.

red


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Re: horse dung [Re: RedHead]
    #610996 - 04/17/02 04:58 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I just got back from talking to some stables. They told me I was welcome to as much as I wanted. The problem is it is fresh from the day before. Apperantly old stuff gets taken out dayly like the trash. So that leaves me in the same position almost. I wonder if it has to sit outside and dry or if you can dry it out in the oven.


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Re: horse dung [Re: Chemical_Smile]
    #611097 - 04/17/02 07:20 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Bump

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Re: horse dung [Re: RedeyedElf]
    #611187 - 04/17/02 08:44 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

cooking the shit in the oven would accomplish nothing but a stinky kitchen... you would have to compost the stuff... fresh is no good... its great for making compost... but not for using right away, id say make a compost bin read up making compost and then you'll have a great substrate, but when using manure you want it to be composted or nearly composted with no ammonia smell.


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Re: horse dung [Re: RedHead]
    #611482 - 04/18/02 02:33 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

3m told me this awhile back.....he was the master of shit....You want the dung to be nice and dry. Make sure to get some that has lots of white stuff on it. This is actinomyces and serves to keep other contams at bay while providing an extra food source for your shrooms.
This is how I use horse dung...
First crumble it into a large pillow case until you have the desired amount.
Bring a large pot of water to boil on the stove. Reduce the heat and submerge the dung. Be careful because you will have water trying to boil up the sides of the bag and you may get burned.
keep the pot at a very low boil for an hour to an hour and a half. Let it cool.
Hang the bag so it will drain. I have a special broom handle setup on two sawhorses for exactly this purpose. let it drain for about 6 hours.
Wash your hands and reach in and grab a fistfull of the dung and squeeze it. If you can just get a bit of water out of it then the moisture is perfect.
I line a 45 liter container with tinfoil and dump in the dung to a depth of about 2". To each of these containers I add 5 or 6 crumbled half pints of grain. BRF works fine as spawn. I haven't noticed any real benefit to using whole grains except that they are harder to get fully colonized for newbies.
Hope this helps. I prefer to answer these kind of questions in the forums so that more folks can get the benefit and I don't have to keep typing the same thing LOL



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Re: horse dung [Re: Chemical_Smile]
    #611574 - 04/18/02 04:33 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I ran into a similar problem. I dumped it in the back yard for 2-3
weeks(one layer deep, not piled) and it was ideal. I have a
double broiler. I put about a  quarter to a third deep in dung,
then the second peice to hold it down, then about 2/3 full of
spring water, and a candy thermometer in the upper section.
Keep the temp between 160 and 170 for 30 to 45 min. Then
take it outside and the strainer section will hold in the dung,
you can step on the pot and it will squeeze the excess water
out. Straight dung spawned with a crumbled cake worked
ok but I'm now mixing it with wheat straw pasturized the
same way. It colonized twice as fast. But couldn't see much
difference between spawning with crumbled cake and spawning
with finch seed.
Just my 2 ccs on the horse matter.
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