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InvisibleSwami
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Is a straight answer possible?
    #609803 - 04/16/02 09:33 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Now I have asked this question in a hundred different ways, but cannot get one straight answer without a dance-around.

According to a large number of posters here, paranormal powers exist, but may only be exhibited in the presence of believers.

If this statement is true, then an authentic psychic would be totally indistingushable from a fraudulent psychic to both believers and skeptics. If they are indistinguishable then there is no difference (signature quote once again).

If they are distinguishable, then how?





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Re: Is a straight answer possible? [Re: Swami]
    #609973 - 04/16/02 01:42 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

That's the catch, you have to believe in it for it to work. Telepathy isn't a physical thing that can be easily verified. Its mental. And if a paranormal event doesn't fit in with your view of the world, your mind will not accept it. Telepathy has to do with a sender sending a signal to a receiver, whose open mind picks it up. However, if your mind is so closed that you can't even accept the phenomenon's existence, how can you ever expect receive anything? Again, this is not a wrecking ball that can penetrate anyone's defenses, it is delicate and subtle. Its only when you open your mind up to it do you begin to see.

I can't really expect you to accept this explanation, but that's how I see it.


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Re: Is a straight answer possible? [Re: Swami]
    #610002 - 04/16/02 02:17 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

hmmm. I think this just goes to show us that most people who claim to have special powers are frauds. Believers want to believe so they are more easily fooled into believing in magic tricks and illusions. Skeptics don't believe because they either can't proove the powers or they can disproove them.

Anyone seen that street magician guy on TLC that claims he can levitate. They show him levetating plain as day on the screen but I still think its just a trick. Some people are just really really good at creating illusions.


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Re: Is a straight answer possible? [Re: skaMariaPastora]
    #610008 - 04/16/02 02:22 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

"Telepathy has to do with a sender sending a signal to a receiver, whose open mind picks it up."

if this is possible, it should be easily proven
you dont have to experience it to see that its possible

set up an experiment with two believers and prove that they can communicate telepathically

cant do it? neither can anybody else.


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Re: Is a straight answer possible? [Re: Floydian]
    #610198 - 04/16/02 07:08 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Supposedly this is how David Blaine did that levitation trick.

http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/Stage/7308/balducci.html


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Re: Is a straight answer possible? [Re: Insomniac]
    #610278 - 04/14/02 05:15 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Figures it would be so simple. Thanks for the link.


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Re: Is a straight answer possible? [Re: Swami]
    #610405 - 04/14/02 08:22 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

i've experience telepathy, so i know it exists...
the ability to control it would be another thing, but I figure that it is possible.


Edited by Anonymous (04/14/02 08:24 PM)


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Re: Is a straight answer possible? [Re: Anonymous]
    #610410 - 04/14/02 08:26 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

it exists like a sixth sense, sometimes you can kinds tell what someone is thinking, even if they arn't giving it away with body language. if your in tune that is


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Re: Is a straight answer possible? [Re: Swami]
    #611285 - 04/17/02 10:58 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

That's how it works. Just like people who claim they can use dowsing rods. They say onlookers cause bad vibes and make it not work. Its a win win situation for them.


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Re: Is a straight answer possible? [Re: Insomniac]
    #611302 - 04/17/02 11:23 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

i used to do a little magicianship on the side for money, mostly hired for kids parties and little shit like that, well, i did the same levataion trick the blaine does, its all about positioning the audience the right way, then lift off the back foots toe, next time you see him youll see what i mean


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Re: Is a straight answer possible? [Re: Swami]
    #611367 - 04/18/02 12:32 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I think there are a lot of stigmas attached to "psychic powers" and other such mysticism that scientifically minded people have a hard time buying since it seems to be so subjective. But i would argue that people can possess psychic abilities, and they are natural, not supernatural. It is the everyday mind of discursive thought that keeps most people from having it. It is the rationalizing and the constant need for affirmation and proof that obscures our intuition and inherent wisdom. If you can silence your mind for long enough, then when you look at a person you can see that they are a complete expression unto themselves; that nothing is left unsaid in the present moment. I might also mention that another reason for alot of skepticism is that there are many people who are not seeing clearly, but are deluded and seeing what they want to see. A couple of like-minded stoners get together and they think that through the cloud of drugs they can see clearly or "telepathize" but really they are just seeing a cloud of drugs. Now that is just a thought, I don't want anyone to be offended by that. I just mean to say that if there is telepathy, it seems like it should be a normal thing that people can experience through open-mindedness, lack of self-delusion, and inherent wisdom (and probably not a supernatural thing experienced only by some deluded people under the influence of drugs).

Peace.....


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Re: Is a straight answer possible? [Re: JPAtanat]
    #611381 - 04/18/02 12:44 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Swami- I have yet to see a straight answer.
I feel your pain, really.


Insomniac- Did you happen to see the TV expose on Blaine's trick? I think it was on Fox. I was really pissed that it was just a cheap camera trick (I've known about the Balducci trick for a long time, but I was amazed by how high Blaine got). At least Penn & Teller show you how they used a camera gimmick (rather than a more skillful sleight).


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Re: Is a straight answer possible? [Re: Swami]
    #611390 - 04/18/02 12:57 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

if no believers or skeptics exsisted in regards to physcics then there would have never exsisted a true phsycic.

what you think someone just woke up one day and decided to make money off people by feeding them false bullshit about stuff that will happen to them, and i guess thats how it grew to the multi-billion dollar industry status it's at right now.


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Re: Is a straight answer possible? [Re: Swami]
    #611394 - 04/18/02 01:00 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

This thread has become a bit of a mess...
What exactly is the straight question in need of a straight answer?


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Re: Is a straight answer possible? [Re: Swami]
    #611404 - 04/18/02 01:10 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

If this statement is true, then an authentic psychic would be totally indistingushable from a fraudulent psychic to both believers and skeptics. If they are indistinguishable then there is no difference (signature quote once again).

If they are distinguishable, then how?


Its like telling the difference between a healthy man, and his identically twin brother with aids.......when your standing on the moon.

Clear?


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Re: Is a straight answer possible? [Re: jonnyshaggs420]
    #611551 - 04/18/02 04:08 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Exactly my point. Do you consider your man on the moon analogy "a straight answer"? What then would be an obtuse answer?


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InvisibleSwami
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Re: Is a straight answer possible? [Re: theLightDivine]
    #611559 - 04/18/02 04:12 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

What exactly is the straight question in need of a straight answer?
How does one tell a "real" psychic from a fraud as both require the presence of believers and the absence of skeptics?

Some dozen responses without my requested straight answer. Oh, well...




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Re: Is a straight answer possible? [Re: Swami]
    #611621 - 04/18/02 05:44 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

about the randi competition:
"...be advised that several claimants have suffered great personal embarrassment after failing..."

frauds would not show up, since they know they are frauds.
people trying their abilities for their first time there, or by only having accidental occurence, don't think so.

were there people that had been successful and validated their psychic abilities before going for the randi competition, but they were unable to do so under these circumstances, because of a factor present in these tests? I mean how do you explain people intentionally making fool of themselves?

were they deluding themselves? in which way?

i'm not trying to support anything, i'm trying to find out..


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Re: Is a straight answer possible? [Re: raytrace]
    #611660 - 04/18/02 07:10 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

i reckon it would be difficult to prove the "feeling of being stared" in front of hardcore closed-minded people that do not open themselves to the posibility it might be true, since itself is suggestive of overlapping mental fields. if it is true, at the same time it is very hard to prove in front of the eyes of people that would lose a million dollar instantly.


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Re: Is a straight answer possible? [Re: raytrace]
    #611833 - 04/18/02 01:05 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Amazing side-stepping as expected, but still no answer.


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