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InvisibleDiploidM
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Psychics and 9/11
    #3146265 - 09/17/04 01:08 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

If they're for real, why don't  they  call their customers instead of the other way around?

Lemma: Why didn't  any of them predict 9/11, the most prominent and Earth-changing event in their entire life?

Edit: Oh, and please don't quote Nostradamus.  He's (mis)quoted and his writings accomodated after every planet-wide event:

http://www.powertochange.com/peace/articles/nostradamus.html

:smirk:

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4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Telephone Psychics [Re: Diploid]
    #3146394 - 09/17/04 01:39 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

No intelligent person believes in Miss Cleo...even most who believe in Psychic powers dont believe these con artists


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Re: Telephone Psychics [Re: DieCommie]
    #3146522 - 09/17/04 02:08 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Alright, then to widen my query, why didn't any psychic anywhere on the planet verifiably predict 9/11?


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Re: Telephone Psychics [Re: Diploid]
    #3146654 - 09/17/04 02:43 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

many many did. the only one i can think of off hand without researching would be the remote viewing guild of hawaii. several poeple in the group viewed it within accepted laboratory protocols (i assume) before it happened. so there.

edit: i wouldn't be suprised if the government remote viewers knew it too.
note: if you are a government remote viewer, i like you guys.


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Re: Telephone Psychics [Re: truekimbo2]
    #3146810 - 09/17/04 03:28 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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many many did. the only one i can think of off hand without researching would be the remote viewing guild of hawaii. several poeple in the group viewed it within accepted laboratory protocols (i assume) before it happened. so there. 




A vague statement about a Hawaiian guild isn't good enough. If you can't give a specific reference to a  verifiable  prediction, I don't believe you, sorry. :smirk:

Note: by  verifiable I mean something that was verifiably published before 9/11.  There are lots of hoaxes published after the fact.

Note 2: To humor you, I checked the web site of the Hawai'i Remote Viewers' Guild.

http://www.hrvg.org/

If they predicted 9/11, you'd think it would be in goggleplex-sized font on their front page in 32-bit color.  It wasn't and an admitedly brief examination of the more promising links on their front page turned up nothing either.

Do you have a specific link?  :smirk:

Edit: Something I found while further browsing the HRVG web, though nothing to do with 9/11...

"... but its ability to judge between trials was never proven, its feedback -- a term used to describe the object or target of the Remote Viewers focus -- was not assembled within a protocol known as 'double-blind' ..." -- Steve Talbot, Hawai'i Remote Viewers' Guild

Why am I not surprised.


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2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


Edited by Diploid (09/17/04 03:42 AM)


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Re: Telephone Psychics [Re: Diploid]
    #3146883 - 09/17/04 03:56 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

hahahahhahahahahhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. OMG! in true shroomery form, its not verifiable because i couldn't find it on the website.

keep looking around.

also, this is just the first site that came to mind, because they include the origional sketchs and stuff.


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Re: Telephone Psychics [Re: truekimbo2]
    #3146909 - 09/17/04 04:10 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

keep looking around.




Wait a minute...

You are the one making the assertion that psychics predicted 9/11. I'm simply asking to see your evidence; this is a reasonable request.

And here you criticize me for trying to assist you in producing your evidence???


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
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4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Psychics and 9/11 [Re: Diploid]
    #3147502 - 09/17/04 10:41 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

even if somebody did predict it beforehand, would that have kept it from happening?



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Re: Telephone Psychics [Re: truekimbo2]
    #3147560 - 09/17/04 11:00 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

perhaps the psychics should now consider using their said abilities to further investigate who the real perpetrators on that attack may be?


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Re: Telephone Psychics [Re: Diploid]
    #3147688 - 09/17/04 11:52 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

There is an 'internet prophet' who claims to predict all kinds of things, 9/11 is on his list. There is apparently proof of all the predictions as well.
http://www.sollog.com/proof/

Also Alex jones of infowars.com predicted sept 11 months in advance. Actually he urged people to call their senator to notify them of the attack.

Of course nothing was done to prevent the attack due to the governments involvment.


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Re: Psychics and 9/11 [Re: Diploid]
    #3147784 - 09/17/04 12:42 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

What I want to know is, how can be people collectively act to prevent tradegies predicted by psychics if the collective majority doesn't even beleive in them or the ability?

Where does it start?


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Re: Telephone Psychics [Re: J4S0N]
    #3147787 - 09/17/04 12:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

"A catastrophe will take place in D.C.," is hardly a prediction.


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Re: Telephone Psychics [Re: Swami]
    #3147820 - 09/17/04 12:52 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Good one swami!

What if the prediction is a comet striking earth? how are we are going to prevent that?


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Re: Psychics and 9/11 [Re: Diploid]
    #3147869 - 09/17/04 01:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

It would be interesting to set up a focus group of people who beleive in the ability. Then you present your psychic to the group , have them give predictions and have the outcomes rigged to come to pass so they beleive in this persons ability.

Then you have that "psychic" give them personal prediction readings.

Say they tell a smoker in the group they will die of cancer in 5 years. Will the person quit?

Say the tell an infertile couple that they are seen to be parents in 5 years, by year 4, will tehn end up adopting to make the prediction come true?

What I find more intersting then the actuality of the ability or not, is how predictions motivate people who beleive in them to change behavior.


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Edited by gettinjiggywithit (09/17/04 02:25 PM)


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Re: Telephone Psychics [Re: J4S0N]
    #3148193 - 09/17/04 02:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

J4S0N said:
Also Alex jones of infowars.com predicted sept 11 months in advance. 




Phhht, that's nothing. I can predict September 11th years in advance. It will occur every year, in the month of September... after... after... *rubs head methodically* after September 10th. Yes. I can also predict the occurence of any other date years in advance.  :smirk:

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Re: Telephone Psychics [Re: Swami]
    #3148278 - 09/17/04 02:45 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I agree with you Swami, that sollog shit is fishy looking.. especially since it charges money for these so called 'predictions'.

alex jones on the other hand did predict it, but it was hardly any Psychic ability. I saw the broadcast he warned about it, I think it was June 2001.

There were plenty of warnings that it was going to happen actually, but of course the main stream media didn't pick up on any of them. Quite a few countries made official statements warning that it was going to happen.. but even though the warnings were there, how could anyone prevent that. I mean for Norad to be shut down during that time means someone near the top was involved. Anyone that could have done anything that day, didn't.


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Re: Psychics and 9/11 [Re: ekomstop]
    #3148283 - 09/17/04 02:46 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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What I want to know is, how can be people collectively act to prevent tradegies predicted by psychics if the collective majority doesn't even beleive in them or the ability?





You're missing the point of this thread.

The events of 9/11 were not predicted by anyone.  If a verifyable prediction had been made, it seems that this would be a prominent event in the field of parapsychology.  It wasn't, and it isn't; and everyone suggesting otherwise only mumbles some nonsense when they're confronted with a demand for proof.

How can proponents of Remote Viewing or whatever you want to call it make their assertion with a straight face?  Do they have experience selling used cars??  :tongue:

As for the suggestion that even if 9/11 had been predicted, nobody would listen, if psychic predictions could stand up to the light of truth,  everyone would listen.  We listen to meteorologists' predictions all the time, the difference is their predictions are made in a framework that precludes everyone from kidding themselves... it's called Science.

Edit: According to Sollog, "Age of Nuclear Terrorism is about to begin."

http://www.sollog.com/

Such insight!  Really!  But I sure wish he would give us a date and time for the first event.

/sigh


Edited by Diploid (09/17/04 03:27 PM)


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Re: Telephone Psychics [Re: fireworks_god]
    #3148289 - 09/17/04 02:47 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Wow I checked out a bit about that sollog site.



Holy criminy.

Actually go and check out that google link. Look at all the juggling they do to make predictions right when they were not right. Dates given, after the fact are realized to not have been dates, but rather some kind of brain teaser math puzzle that you have to add the number to itself but reversed, ie 904+404 etc etc.

That's a perfect example of working your ass off to make something fit after you realize it doesn't. That's a perfect example of someone wanting to believe they were right SO HARD that they can't see that they were wrong.

Lord, I could make a prediction like that which would be right.

The pope will die! 11/4

maybe that's november 4th! of some year! Or.. maybe it's april 11! Maybe it's actuall 114+411 = 525 maybe it's may 25!! Or maybe that's a fraction, 8.75, or 8 3/4, august 24! or maybe..


you get the drift. the pope's going to die SOME day, and so long as I throw out SOME number, it's possible to play with that number long enough to come up with practically any date after he DOES die to "prove" that I was actually right with my prediction.


And what that means is what exactly? That's right.. it means it's a load of BS.


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Re: Telephone Psychics [Re: Mushmonkey]
    #3148406 - 09/17/04 03:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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That's a perfect example of working your ass off to make something fit after you realize it doesn't. 




It's called Accommodation of the Facts and is a common affliction of the True Believer.

No matter what a believer is told, they will find some way to work it into their life story. This is easier than you'd think because the 'predictions' are always sufficiently vague to fit almost anyone. Check out the horoscopes in your local paper for some great examples.  :tongue:


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4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Telephone Psychics [Re: Diploid]
    #3148627 - 09/17/04 04:24 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

id just like to say, for myself personally that i am not a psychic.

However, i do (we all do) possess some sort of psychic faculty or mechanism. I realized this only recently, as i compared 3 unique experiences in my own life that for me are immutable evidence of the possibility to tap into ESP. All three experiences were in different situations, Yet that wierd gut feeling of knowing without knowing was the same each time.

However, in these 3 experiences i never made any concious effort to 'see the future' nor was i thinking about anything special, etc. They just happend, unexpectedly and out of the blue.

And, they never nescessarily had anything to do with the percieved 'magnitude' of the prediction. So i dont know that even something as horrendous as 9/11 is more likely to be picked up with esp than say a blue jay is gonna shit on your deck. For example, one of my precognitions was about my father being in a car accident, a serious event. Another was about me being in present physical danger which i summarily avoided as a result, but less serious (i would have been banged a bit at worst) and the third experience was about flipping a certain card in a deck to avoid taking a drink (totally frivolous) and yet the intensity of the ESP feeling was the same.

What im saying is that ESP does exist, but if their is a way to control it conciously or have it frequently im not aware of one.
In addition i dont know anything about the laws that make this phenomenon occur. And i think most self proclaimed psychics are con artists.

But, Esp does happen. For some reason.


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