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Re: Genesis 1- Creation of the Universe [Re: Telepylus]
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Here's another example of the same, found in the human hand.
And also found throughout the entire human body.

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Re: Genesis 1- Creation of the Universe [Re: Telepylus]
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You are sure about the hexagon geometrically fitting into the goldem mean, as in the graphics you show ?
That's awesome great !


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Though lovers be lost love shall not  And death shall have no dominion
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"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'

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Re: Genesis 1- Creation of the Universe [Re: BlueCoyote]
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As I was mentioning about numbers forming letters and words.

Here in Genesis 2:17-
And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

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Re: Genesis 1- Creation of the Universe [Re: Telepylus]
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Mind if I perhaps ask back in science forum about this, or let it run over a mathematical proof ?
(Just interested if it's not bended in any way, the hexagon - golden mean thing :wink: )


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Though lovers be lost love shall not  And death shall have no dominion
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"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'

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Re: Genesis 1- Creation of the Universe [Re: BlueCoyote]
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i don't understand your question.

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Re: Genesis 1- Creation of the Universe [Re: Telepylus]
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Do you mind if I let it run over/under a mathematical test ?


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Though lovers be lost love shall not  And death shall have no dominion
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"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'

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Re: Genesis 1- Creation of the Universe [Re: BlueCoyote]
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run what under a mathematical test?



no i wouldn't mind, why would i?
Although i can assure you every possible mathematical test conceivable has already been applied to the Flower of Life diagram.
Maybe you'll discover something new and exciting.

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Re: Genesis 1- Creation of the Universe [Re: Telepylus]
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mathematical test for fitting the 'golden mean' into the hexagram :smile: :heart:

"Although i can assure you every possible mathematical test conceivable has already been applied to the Flower of Life diagram.
Maybe you'll discover something new and exciting. "
Does the above (golden mean/hexagram) stem out of that (Flower of Life) ?
If true, you revealed me something quite exiting and inspiring (which was new to me). I will see if I can personally continue some research to bring forth something new, generally :thumbup:


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Though lovers be lost love shall not  And death shall have no dominion
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"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'

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Re: Genesis 1- Creation of the Universe [Re: Telepylus]
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I'm not trying to debunk it or anything, but I have read the golden mean is not truly exact?

http://www.middlebury.edu/~harris/Humanities/TheGoldenMean.html


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"You must be the change you want to see in the world." - The trip of a Life Time.

Indra's Net - There is an endless net of threads throughout the universe. The horizontal threads are in space. The vertical threads in time. At every crossing of threads there is an individual. And every individual is a crystal bead. The great light of absolute being illuminates and penetrates every crystal being, And every crystal being reflects not only the light from every other crystal in the net, But also every reflection of every reflection throughout the universe.

-cK

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Re: Genesis 1- Creation of the Universe [Re: ck10n3]
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of course the Golden Mean, and Phi ratio, and Fibonacci sequence will all stem from the vesica piscis.
all consciousness and energy and space stem from Alternating Phi Ratio Patterns.

is the Golden Mean exact?
Golden Mean and Phi Ratio are like Pi-
They are infinite, transcendental numbers.

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Re: Genesis 1- Creation of the Universe [Re: Telepylus]
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well I meant in the sense that it does not always apply as you had said. people are not always in proportion, nautilus shells are not always in proportion, etc.


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"You must be the change you want to see in the world." - The trip of a Life Time.

Indra's Net - There is an endless net of threads throughout the universe. The horizontal threads are in space. The vertical threads in time. At every crossing of threads there is an individual. And every individual is a crystal bead. The great light of absolute being illuminates and penetrates every crystal being, And every crystal being reflects not only the light from every other crystal in the net, But also every reflection of every reflection throughout the universe.

-cK

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Re: Genesis 1- Creation of the Universe [Re: ck10n3]
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Yes, it's an idealized proportion, but that makes it even more interesting to make some correlations with some static mathematical geometry, like the hexagram.
A circle also includes Pi, but one can calculate its intersections with any other mathematical describable object.
I have to deepen my studies a bit more :smile:
:heart:


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Though lovers be lost love shall not  And death shall have no dominion
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"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'

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Re: Genesis 1- Creation of the Universe [Re: BlueCoyote]
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here's a tip.


when God was creating the dimensions, notice it says "he saw it was good"

and this word good means "beautiful"
he saw that IT (whatever IT was) was Beautiful


here's the trick-
when you find the Good in things
when you see Good
When you recognize Beauty

it is because you are Beautiful and Good
and it also means U/R upholding Creation, literally


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Law of Love

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Re: Genesis 1- Creation of the Universe [Re: LightShedder]
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LightShedder said:
EmptySpace said:
Stories of creation were merely formulated to explain the unexplainable to people. Do not try to take the creation story as any sort of literal/logical explanation of why we are here. So basically there is no point in using science to discover the fallacies that lie within the bible/pentateuch/...etc.

If you want to check out some interesting stuff about why we exist, look at quantum physics. In my opinion(stressed) quantum physics is the closest thing to explaining any kind of creation or existence.

Peace


Exactly! The crazy stuff is just "metaphors" yet other equally crazy things are the literal words of god, hence the law.





couldn't have said it better myself



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We're the lowest of the low, the scum of the fucking earth!

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Re: Genesis 1- Creation of the Universe [Re: Scarfmeister]
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ummm, there's only one problem with your metaphor theory

we have proof that it's also a mathematical sequence
and i think it's more important to focus on that fact, don't you?

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Re: Genesis 1- Creation of the Universe [Re: Telepylus]
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The ancient peoples, including the one[s] that penned the Genesis accounts, were expressing a metaphysic in terms of mythological language. One will find the notion of 'primeval waters' or 'chaos' in different creation myths. It is not intended to mean physical water in most instances.

More interesting to me is the difference in the Hebrew Names for God, which changes from Elohim in Genesis 2:4 to YHWH Elohim. Something metaphysical is always being postulated in Hebrew theology with Divine Names.

"While the words El, Elohim, and eloah are clearly related, with the word El being the stem, some have claimed it is uncertain whether the word Elohim is derived from El through eloah. These people have suggested that the word Elohim is the masculine plural of a feminine noun, used as a singular. This would imply indeterminacy in both number and gender...this is what appears to be intended in this case. However, to many this is speculative and confusing, although consistent with many other Jewish and Christian views of the nature of the Godhead."

Along with other religious traditions like the Shiva-Shakti idea of Hinduism, or the god-goddess of Wicca, or the later YHVH-Asherah worship of Solomon's time, it can be speculated that there is a masculine-feminine two-in-oneness in the Divine Name prior to creation. This duality-in-unity in the very Godhead has interesting ramifications:

"And God said, 'Let us make man in our image, in our likeness...'" (Gen. 1:26) "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him;male and female he created them." (Gen. 1:27)

Bear in mind that 'Eve' is not yet created as a separate entity. Adam is both male and female. This is why in the Gospel of Thomas, women have to become male before being joined to Spirit. It is the reverse process of creation - unification. And in the Gospel of Philip, the theology is different - males and female have to be absorbed in a psychophysical union of equal and opposites before union with God is possible.


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γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself

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Re: Genesis 1- Creation of the Universe [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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True.


YHWH is the One True Most High Almighty Lord GOD.
Elohim, can be singular or plural, it just means god or gods-
The One True Most High Almighty Lord GOD admits that there are in fact other gods, he even goes so far as saying, "ye shall have no other gods before me"
and what this means is, give worship to what is most true, YHWH.

We cannot discuss the YHWH or the Elohim without also bringing to light the Adonai and Ehieh.
Because these different aspects are just components of the Godhead.
We are talking about One thing here.
God communicates with himself, and us, through these modules- YHWH, Elohim, Adonai, Ehieh.
these names are terms which have many other names to simplify the concept, which i will try to do for anyone who needs that instruction.

The Man, Woman, and Child (Adam+Eve) are one being in God.
Creation is what comes of that being spliting itself into these wildly complex components, and the resulting machinations of that trinity is what we call "the world", the cohesiveness of consensual reality. (things we agree on about reality being men, women, and children)

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