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Genesis 1- Creation of the Universe
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What I'm about to explain is very profound, and scientific, so I hope you'll bare with me, and try to enjoy what i'm saying, and participate.
In my experience with people, very few have ever met with this description of creation, and I think it's very important to understanding what God is. I hope you're as excited as I am.
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Genesis 1

1. In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5. And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
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Look at verse 2-
If the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep, then how can there be any movement?
You cannot move in a formless void, in deep darkness.
Think about it.
If you are floating in space, with no point of referrence to navigate, how can you be aware of movement?

God moved upon the face of the waters.
What does this mean?

(note, we are about to count how many things "God said" and how many times "God saw".)

Let's explore the 7 days of creation.
What exactly is happening on this first day?
Anybody care to answer?
(If not i'll continue regardless, I just want to give opportunity for discussion)

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Re: Genesis 1- Creation of the Universe [Re: Telepylus]
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If the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep, then how can there be any movement?
You cannot move in a formless void, in deep darkness.
Think about it.
If you are floating in space, with no point of referrence to navigate, how can you be aware of movement?

it moved as it created space and was aware of it dimentions xyz

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Re: Genesis 1- Creation of the Universe [Re: 1orange]
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Its just a question of faith... It doesn't have to make sense for millions of people to belive it. Its just a question of faith.


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dubiousness
Dubious compound

it is dangerous to be right in matters on which the established authorities are wrong.
A penalty for possession of a drug/plant should not be more damaging than the drug/plant itself.

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Re: Genesis 1- Creation of the Universe [Re: Telepylus]
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think far deep in the ocean
think of electromagnetism


vibrations evolving until light could be seen


"and god said, let there be light!"


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I have considered such matters.

SIKE

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Re: Genesis 1- Creation of the Universe [Re: Cherk]
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what if when "genesis" , as it has become to be knownas, was originally written, they were not writing days,... what if whoever translated it from theirs didnt know what that certain symbol/lettering meant and confused it with days. it could have meant like 1st age..... 2nd age.... look at it like this.....

10: God called the dry land Earth, and the waters that were gathered together he called Seas. And God saw that it was good.
11: And God said, "Let the earth put forth vegetation, plants yielding seed, and fruit trees bearing fruit in which is their seed, each according to its kind, upon the earth." And it was so.
12: The earth brought forth vegetation, plants yielding seed according to their own kinds, and trees bearing fruit in which is their seed, each according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.
13: And there was evening and there was morning, a third day.
14: And God said, "Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to separate the day from the night; and let them be for signs and for seasons and for days and years,
15: and let them be lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light upon the earth." And it was so.
16: And God made the two great lights, the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night; he made the stars also.
17: And God set them in the firmament of the heavens to give light upon the earth,
18: to rule over the day and over the night, and to separate the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good.
19: And there was evening and there was morning, a fourth day.
20: And God said, "Let the waters bring forth swarms of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the firmament of the heavens."
21: So God created the great sea monsters and every living creature that moves, with which the waters swarm, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.
22: And God blessed them, saying, "Be fruitful and multiply and fill the waters in the seas, and let birds multiply on the earth."
23: And there was evening and there was morning, a fifth day.
24: And God said, "Let the earth bring forth living creatures according to their kinds: cattle and creeping things and beasts of the earth according to their kinds." And it was so.
25: And God made the beasts of the earth according to their kinds and the cattle according to their kinds, and everything that creeps upon the ground according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.
26: Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth."
27: So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.
28: And God blessed them, and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the air and over every living thing that moves upon the earth."
29: And God said, "Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit; you shall have them for food.
30: And to every beast of the earth, and to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, I have given every green plant for food." And it was so.
31: And God saw everything that he had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, a sixth day.


pretend like those days are just ages in earth hsitory... it goes along with science. like an ice age or somethin. then when he creates adam (homosapien) in the garden (earth as it was created. no interference by human energy) adam eats the apple and introduces evil and sin to man. (homosapiens brains evolved and began desiring control.. hence how government got started) im high......................

Edited by LightShedder (08/29/06 09:00 PM)

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Re: Genesis 1- Creation of the Universe [Re: Telepylus]
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Stories of creation were merely formulated to explain the unexplainable to people. Do not try to take the creation story as any sort of literal/logical explanation of why we are here. So basically there is no point in using science to discover the fallacies that lie within the bible/pentateuch/...etc.

If you want to check out some interesting stuff about why we exist, look at quantum physics. In my opinion(stressed) quantum physics is the closest thing to explaining any kind of creation or existence.

Peace


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We can't stop here - This is bat country.

-Duke--Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas

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Re: Genesis 1- Creation of the Universe [Re: EmptySpace]
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EmptySpace said:
Stories of creation were merely formulated to explain the unexplainable to people. Do not try to take the creation story as any sort of literal/logical explanation of why we are here. So basically there is no point in using science to discover the fallacies that lie within the bible/pentateuch/...etc.

If you want to check out some interesting stuff about why we exist, look at quantum physics. In my opinion(stressed) quantum physics is the closest thing to explaining any kind of creation or existence.

Peace






couldn't have said it better myself


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Re: Genesis 1- Creation of the Universe [Re: Telepylus]
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1orange sorta mentioned something about xyz coordinates.

if you are in a void, that is darkness
(you know in total darkness you can't see anything at all)
how can you be aware of movement?
it does mention something called the "face of the deep"
what's the face?
i'll tell you.

this is the birth of numbers and geometry, and the unfolding dimensions.

you can imagine the big bang as like a spark
or even a drop.
it's a point appearing where there was nothing at all but something called earth without form.

in order for God to move, first he had to do something.

he is called The Father because the male is straight and linear, a flat plane.
The Mother is anything curved or round.
so this point, piercing though the deep, is also a Ray (a line)
(i'll come back to explain this primordial force in great detail)

and what this did, was create a ripple upon the deep
a circle

dimensions are unfolding now, the point (later to be called inverted spheroid), and the circle.
GOD is the RAy, "saying" let there be Light.
now take a look at this-

it's called vesica pisces, and it's very important to the unfolding of the next dimensions.

whenever God says something is Good, it also means that it is Beautiful.
God divded into a male and female energy, light or dark, straight and curved, positive and negative, bound into the point, the singularity, and the spiral force which is the next emanation.
(the trinity of force is: point, sphere, and spiral force, bound into what i refered to as an inverted spheroid, and it looks like this- and scientists call it superstring theory- it's an idea)
ok, we just had the "first day" of creation.

Edited by Telepylus (08/29/06 11:49 PM)

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Re: Genesis 1- Creation of the Universe [Re: Telepylus]
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here's the image of the inverted spheroid unfolding dimensions-
there are many different images of this same model shown in different ways (i'll get to that later)


now what's really trippy about Genesis, is it's really like a code, that is explaining what Creation is- numbers are shapes that have meaning. you should try to think of numbers as three dimensional shapes.

any questions so far?
or comments on this?

o yea, and what's really cool about this thread is, at the same time, we're finally all going to understand what Consciousness is too.
Because this whole development we call the universe is all happening in One Spark.

Edited by Telepylus (08/29/06 11:57 PM)

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Re: Genesis 1- Creation of the Universe [Re: Telepylus]
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Telepylus said:
o yea, and what's really cool about this thread is, at the same time, we're finally all going to understand what Consciousness is too.
Because this whole development we call the universe is all happening in One Spark.


wait... what?


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Re: Genesis 1- Creation of the Universe [Re: Telepylus]
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""(you know in total darkness you can't see anything at all)""

Not even the darkness?

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Re: Genesis 1- Creation of the Universe [Re: Gomp]
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i'd said that because i saw this show on tv the other day when they were asking people "if you are in a room without any light, can you see anything"
you'd be surprised how many people said "your eyes will adjust after awhile so you can see"

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Re: Genesis 1- Creation of the Universe [Re: Telepylus]
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thats like saying you saw darkness before you were born, no you didn't see anything, you weren't conscious of any existence at all, if you saw darkness you would have a sense of self, in which creation was already in the process, I'd say its not too scientific from first glance

Edited by capliberty (08/30/06 04:23 PM)

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Re: Genesis 1- Creation of the Universe [Re: capliberty]
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see how light is connected to our sight?

let's not get distracted.
First there was absolute nothingness.
Then God Moved.
Saying "Let there Be Light".
(light is sort of connected to sight)
then he saw that it was beautiful.

he makes a circle
moves upon the flat plane
there is a beautiful light
that beautiful light is what is generated from the two circles
the vesica piscis, as soon as that is formed we have the first level of consciousness that is called invisible consciousness, because it is invisible to everything else, it is God Consciousness.
All it is is patterns of alternating phi ratios that are created by points, rays, circles, spirals, spheres, and planes- that's all.
But there's more to it, we can come back to this.
(the 5 levels of consciousness that we perceive all come into being simultaneously and the support one another)

see, if you draw a cross and rectangle within the vesica piscis, you create the geometries for fibonnaci sequence, and golden mean.
very important to unfolding geometry and dimensions.
consciousness is made by the interaction of a square shape, and a round shape (something called "Squaring the Circle" i'll get to later)

now the second day is about to happen

can you guess what will happen next?
imagine U/R God imagining this
the single ray of movement
with the duality of light and dark
with the trinity of the: Point, Sphere, and Spiral Force
the two circles, with the Golden Mean.
where else is there to go next?

Edited by Telepylus (08/30/06 06:40 PM)

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Re: Genesis 1- Creation of the Universe [Re: Telepylus]
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Genesis 1:
6. And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7. And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8. And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

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i should have mentioned this earlier but, what exactly do you think it means by "waters", god moved upon the face of the waters.
waters refers the vibration or waves of patterns of SPIRIT.
and waters being plural means Spirits.
as if a drop in the water with the ripples resounding over itself, creates different sets of Patterns in an Order, that is the fundamentals of Intelligence itself- like numbers, and letters formed of patterns of shapes.

and now look what is happening next-
god is bringing in to the face of the deep, firmament-
what does this word mean?
well like waters, we don't exactly know yet, is it land? earth?
(no, you'll see why in a second)
he puts it in the midst of the waters, and it DIVIDES.
a division, even like a cell divides, or numbers divide.
God divides then, calls it Heaven.

now, once you established the two circles, and golden mean, where are you going to go next?
now you can establish some sense of co-ordinates, so you can make another circle.
this is the creation of outerspace, and the third dimension.
when you're talking about making somekind of firmament to divide a plane, you're creating height, width, and depth.
and at this point you can imagine the circles as spheres too.
that's the second day
here is a simple image of the seven days of creation, on paper.

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Re: Genesis 1- Creation of the Universe [Re: Telepylus]
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Telepylus said:
i'd said that because i saw this show on tv the other day when they were asking people "if you are in a room without any light, can you see anything"
you'd be surprised how many people said "your eyes will adjust after awhile so you can see"


Still, a light may cast shadows..

Go figure?

"Black and White, are [still] light!"
-Unknown :P

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Re: Genesis 1- Creation of the Universe [Re: Gomp]
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God did not. For these are thoughts of a human and nothing can change it if you believe in faith. Faith is like saying it's true because I want to believe it to be real. When in fact it's only a thought.


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Evolution of Time.

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Re: Genesis 1- Creation of the Universe [Re: Droz]
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9. And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10. And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that is was good.
11. And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yeilding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth and it was so.
12. And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13. And the evening and the morning were the third day.
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note:
so far
God has said four things
And has saw three times


in the first and second days god created time & space
motion (sub-atomic energy)

on day 3 when god mentions herbs and trees and fruit and seed.
what we're really talking about is the formation of The Periodic Table of Elements.
And further, how, they interact to form complex Molecules.
Later I will explain why the words herbs, and trees and fruit and seed were chosen, such things serve as perfect model descriptions for how energies arrange themselves-
by energies i mean, geometric shapes, and mathmatical equations.

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Re: Genesis 1- Creation of the Universe [Re: Telepylus]
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"God's embassadors" have only created trouble in the world. We must burn them as the heretics they are. Anyone know anything about the Romans...they were a damn good society (pre-jesus) until, well you know, they burned out.


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ca'rouse (k-rouz)
intr.v.
To engage in boisterous, drunken merrymaking.

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Re: Genesis 1- Creation of the Universe [Re: TODAY]
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So it took God a week to make the universe?  I'm sorry but I still consider it arrogant to view "god" as a single entity.  I can't see God like that.  When I think God, I think universe, everything, "the math behind reality".

What gives God his power? 
Why do so many religions have so many different gods?  Who's right?

As Johnny Richter stated,

"You ask me where I'm headed I'm still trying to look . 
I learned one thing so far, the answer's not in the book. 
Many paths to choose from written by the hands of man
but they were all still alive the information's second-hand,
I don't understand. 
All religions have flaws.  We got commandments, how bout NATURES laws? 
Cuz when it's said and done the river's still gonna flow,
the winds gonna blow
and trees are still gonna grow."

I don't want a fairytale.  I want truth.  I want science.  I want a logical explanation. :mad:

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